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      11-07-2013, 02:30 PM   #1
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Gov. doing good for once

This is intervention I can agree with and will ultimately lower health care costs and possibly bring down insurance premiums.

I call this a good call on the FDA's behalf!

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/fda-wa...od-8C11551559#
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I declare war on trans fats, by consuming as much of them as I can.

All for it if it will lower health care though, f'rill.
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White flour is the same as trans fats - no health benefit whatsoever. Should that be banned as well? Where does it stop? Should it be personal choice?
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I think we should tax fatness/obesity. 'Murica
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Yes, let's ban everything that is bad for you, because I'm too lazy to think and choose for myself!
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Yes, let's ban everything that is bad for you, because I'm too lazy to think and choose for myself!
Clearly some people can't choose for themselves
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Disagree...the FDA worthless shit.
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Clearly some people can't choose for themselves
That's on them, shouldn't be the government (or anyone else's) job to force a lifestyle or beliefs on them.
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Despite the link to heart disease associated with trans fats, I don't think banning them will do much to improve the healthiness of Americans. All the processed pastries and greasy foods will still be unhealthy with or without trans fats. At least in my area, it's already not very prevalent due to all the buzz surrounding its health issues, so a ban wouldn't have much impact.

Reforming agriculture policy would do more to curb obesity. The billions of dollars that go into corn and soybean subsidies are a big reason why unhealthy processed foods are so widespread and cheap. Isn't it weird that the poorest people here are also the most obese?

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but seriously, why you guys so obese in the states? I heard that 1/3 of you mofo's are obese and you dudes keep trying to change the definition of obesity to lower the rate lol. Purely speculating but I think it has a lot to do with race. I gathered some data from wiki.

The obesity rate for Caucasian adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 26.8%
The obesity rate for Black adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 36.9%
The obesity rate for American Indian or Alaska Native adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 39.6%
The obesity rate for Asian adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 11.6%
The obesity rate for the Hispanic or Latino adults category (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 31.9%
The obesity rate for Mexican or Mexican Americans adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 34.1%.
The obesity rate for Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 43.5%

I see also a high correlation with laziness too. Just stereotyping, nothing racial intended.
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but seriously, why you guys so obese in the states? I heard that 1/3 of you mofo's are obese and you dudes keep trying to change the definition of obesity to lower the rate lol. Purely speculating but I think it has a lot to do with race. I gathered some data from wiki.

The obesity rate for Caucasian adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 26.8%
The obesity rate for Black adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 36.9%
The obesity rate for American Indian or Alaska Native adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 39.6%
The obesity rate for Asian adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 11.6%
The obesity rate for the Hispanic or Latino adults category (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 31.9%
The obesity rate for Mexican or Mexican Americans adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 34.1%.
The obesity rate for Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 43.5%

I see also a high correlation with laziness too. Just stereotyping, nothing racial intended.
Eating is a hobbby for poor people on government programs because they have no other interests and plenty of time to eat.
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Eating is a hobbby for poor people on government programs because they have no other interests and plenty of time to eat.
a lot of people sub food for sex
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a lot of people sub food for sex
I've been doing that for so long, I can't get into my own panties.
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but seriously, why you guys so obese in the states? I heard that 1/3 of you mofo's are obese and you dudes keep trying to change the definition of obesity to lower the rate lol. Purely speculating but I think it has a lot to do with race. I gathered some data from wiki.

The obesity rate for Caucasian adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 26.8%
The obesity rate for Black adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 36.9%
The obesity rate for American Indian or Alaska Native adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 39.6%
The obesity rate for Asian adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 11.6%
The obesity rate for the Hispanic or Latino adults category (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 31.9%
The obesity rate for Mexican or Mexican Americans adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 34.1%.
The obesity rate for Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander adults (over 30 BMI) in the US in 2010 was 43.5%

I see also a high correlation with laziness too. Just stereotyping, nothing racial intended.
The war on Saturated Fat is probably the biggest mistake in the history of nutrition.

1. In Europe, the markets with the highest percentage of saturated fat in their diet have the lowest rate of heart disease.

2. The Obesity Epidemic in the USA Started at Almost The Exact Same Time the Low-Fat Dietary Guidelines Were Published

3. Diets that Are High in Fat But Low in Carbohydrates Cause More Weight Loss than Diets that Are Low in Fat

4. The Diseases of Civilization Increased as Butter and Lard Were Replaced with Vegetable Oils and Trans Fats

5. The Obesity Epidemic Started as People Reduced Their Intake of Red Meat and High-Fat Dairy Products

6. In the Framingham Heart Study, Heart Disease Goes up as People Replace Heart-Healthy Butter with Toxic Margarine

As for correlation with laziness, you ever looked at France or Greece.....or even Mexico?
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The war on Saturated Fat is probably the biggest mistake in the history of nutrition.

1. In Europe, the markets with the highest percentage of saturated fat in their diet have the lowest rate of heart disease.

2. The Obesity Epidemic in the USA Started at Almost The Exact Same Time the Low-Fat Dietary Guidelines Were Published

3. Diets that Are High in Fat But Low in Carbohydrates Cause More Weight Loss than Diets that Are Low in Fat

4. The Diseases of Civilization Increased as Butter and Lard Were Replaced with Vegetable Oils and Trans Fats

5. The Obesity Epidemic Started as People Reduced Their Intake of Red Meat and High-Fat Dairy Products

6. In the Framingham Heart Study, Heart Disease Goes up as People Replace Heart-Healthy Butter with Toxic Margarine

As for correlation with laziness, you ever looked at France or Greece.....or even Mexico?
What much of this comes down to is that in an effort to reduce fats, manufacturers rely more heavily on sugars.

Kill bread, pasta, white potatoes, white rice and refined sugar from the diet and fat melts off. There's really nothing that surprising about it.

Up in NY there is plenty of obesity but I was amazed at how much worse it is down here. I've had patients that can't fit in my exam chairs and I usually have a few per year that I have to take to the main OR because the outpatient surgical center deems them too high risk. I operated on 2 people in 1 week with BMI's over 80. It takes work to get that fat.
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Never cared if someone decides to be a fatty. Let people make their own dumb decisions
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ewww gross, fat people problems, it makes me wanna puke!!!
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Never cared if someone decides to be a fatty. Let people make their own dumb decisions
Unfortunately with the Government taking over Health Care - and no exclusion for pre-existing conditions, the government will mandate their way to health.

If Sugar came on the market today, quite frankly, the Government would probably never approve its use.

As an aside, I was watching a local NYC Newscast several weeks ago. They were doing a live shot in front of a NY Pizzeria. Behind the reporter, on the door, were 2 signs. #1 - We accept EBT Cards (Food Stamps for those you that do not know). #2 Zagat Rated.

So we are giving food stamps to people so they can eat Pizza at a Zagat rated Restaurant. What's wrong with this picture.
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Never cared if someone decides to be a fatty. Let people make their own dumb decisions
You take a look at your insurance premium lately? If you're like most, haven't you wondered why your premium has increased 200% in 15 years while your income only increased 50%? Those are the national numbers.

Keeping people alive into their 70's after they've done so much do destroy their body is expensive.

Don't take this the wrong way. I'm against all the nanny bs such as banning 32 oz soft drinks. People can make their own decisions. Me having to pay for it does get very frustrating though.

Drive like a maniac, pay more for auto insurance.
People who have a body fat of 60% should pay more for their insurance. Sadly, all of those who top the charts above 400 lbs that I've taken care of have been uninsured or on Medicaid. Every last one.

I'll get off my soap box now.
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People who have a body fat of 60% should pay more for their insurance.
I don't disagree. We also have a lot of other things wrong than how fat people are though
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You take a look at your insurance premium lately? If you're like most, haven't you wondered why your premium has increased 200% in 15 years while your income only increased 50%? Those are the national numbers.

Keeping people alive into their 70's after they've done so much do destroy their body is expensive.

Don't take this the wrong way. I'm against all the nanny bs such as banning 32 oz soft drinks. People can make their own decisions. Me having to pay for it does get very frustrating though.

Drive like a maniac, pay more for auto insurance.
People who have a body fat of 60% should pay more for their insurance. Sadly, all of those who top the charts above 400 lbs that I've taken care of have been uninsured or on Medicaid. Every last one.

I'll get off my soap box now.


I'm on in the same mindset as Doc. I don't want the gov to govern our diets but when something like trans fat is used and the majority of the populace does not understand its harmful affects then I think the government should intervene in the marketplace to look out after the consumer.

If we had no interventions in the food supply chain we would be like Asia and be consuming non inspected food and encountering avian flue outbreaks every other month.

Some intervention is good as much as I am a libertarian when it comes to intervention.
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