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      11-01-2013, 11:29 PM   #89
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I highly doubt there will be a new 3.6 V6 twin turbo, considering that Porsche just develop a 3.0 V6 twin turbo generates 420hp already in the Panamera S. I'm betting that Porsche will just tune the current V6 supercharged engine in the Audi lineup for the Macan S and use the latter for the Turbo version. It just doesn't add up or make sense at this moment.

BTW I think those are good photo shop pics, there no hood line as you can see from the most recent spy pics.
- Three engine choices at the introduction:
Macan S: 3.0 V6 B-Turbo 340hp, 460NM (340lbs-ft)
Macan Turbo: 3.6 V6 Bi-Turbo 400hp, 550NM (405 lbs-ft)
Macan S Diesel: 3.0 V6 258hp, 600NM (442lbs-ft)

- 4-cylinder engines arrive in 2015 (Both petrol and diesel)
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- Three engine choices at the introduction:
Macan S: 3.0 V6 B-Turbo 340hp, 460NM (340lbs-ft)
Macan Turbo: 3.6 V6 Bi-Turbo 400hp, 550NM (405 lbs-ft)
Macan S Diesel: 3.0 V6 258hp, 600NM (442lbs-ft)

- 4-cylinder engines arrive in 2015 (Both petrol and diesel)
My argument for that rumor is only the engine choices in the S and Turbo that was supposedly leaked in a dealer meeting.

My first point is that there is already a supercharged V6 that produces 333hp and 325lbs-ft that Porsche can use from Audi.

Second, as I stated previously, Porsche just develop a new 3.0L twin turbo V6 that produces 420hp and 384lbs-ft in the 2014 Panamera S.
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My argument for that rumor is only the engine choices in the S and Turbo that was supposedly leaked in a dealer meeting.

My first point is that there is already a supercharged V6 that produces 333hp and 325lbs-ft that Porsche can use from Audi.

Second, as I stated previously, Porsche just develop a new 3.0L twin turbo V6 that produces 420hp and 384lbs-ft in the 2014 Panamera S.
It is not a rumor if there is actually a picture from the private dealer meeting. It clearly stated 3.0 bi-turbo and 3.6 bi-turbo.

The 3.0L TFSI in the SQ5 will not be used by Porsche. No way Porsche will detune it from 354hp and put it in the S. Also not to mention that engine has been out quite a long time, it's shelf life it running out. Audi will be moving away from supercharging in the near future.

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The Macan photos just look like they put a giant man in a Cayenne.
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GLA45 vs. Macan Turbo is going to a fun comparo to make
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Yeah, but he's complaining about the electronic steering (or at least the assisted steering option) and is picking up an X5 with electronic steering which has been panned as softer than the E70's hydraulic steering.
Got it, mines an 11 so still an e70 platform. Not a fan of the new one, yet.
Congrats on the e70 lci. I miss mine....


As for the touareg tdi, I loved it but the steering was nothing to write home about. Haven't driven a cayenne yet, but this peeks my interest since they're supposed to be head and shoulders above the touareg.
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Haven't driven a cayenne yet, but this peeks my interest since they're supposed to be head and shoulders above the touareg.
I've driven my brother's Cayenne at Toronto Motorsports Park and it was a lot of fun. It was willing to rotate, put the power down nicely and the brakes can really dissipate heat. As a bonus, we could put a wheel into the dirt to straighten out the esses with no issues

I tried to take some on and off ramps aggressively with a 2013 X5 35i and the Cayenne was a lot better.

For a "sporty" truck Porsche is definitely the way to go.

The trucks I drove were optioned similarly with base tires, suspension and brakes
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GLA45 vs. Macan Turbo is going to a fun comparo to make
GLA 45 AMG is not the Macan Turbo's rival, it is a hypothetical GLK 55 AMG (4.0l V8 Biturbo) .
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Nice video and I especially like the wide fast dirt sweeper at 0:50. The Macan looks like it could have some decent light off-road chops. I'm basically sold on it except I would miss my M3 at the track. Anyone think a Macan Turbo could handle track duty? I only have room for my car and my wife's so keeping my M3 would be out. Unless I convince her to have the M3...
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Nice video and I especially like the wide fast dirt sweeper at 0:50. The Macan looks like it could have some decent light off-road chops. I'm basically sold on it except I would miss my M3 at the track. Anyone think a Macan Turbo could handle track duty? I only have room for my car and my wife's so keeping my M3 would be out. Unless I convince her to have the M3...
With N-Ring time around 8:00 min, like Cayman/Boxster S, it def. can handle track duty, not sure about the fun factor though.
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With N-Ring time around 8:00 min, like Cayman/Boxster S, it def. can handle track duty, not sure about the fun factor though.
In one video they had the rear end stepped out pretty wide on Tarmac.

This thing throws (up to) 90% of the power to the rear.
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GLA 45 AMG is not the Macan Turbo's rival, it is a hypothetical GLK 55 AMG (4.0l V8 Biturbo) .
The GLA is more the size of an Audi Q3.

The most direct competitor for a Macan is going to be the Audi SQ5 (same platform).

Everyone else is going to play catchup.
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The GLA is more the size of an Audi Q3.

The most direct competitor for a Macan is going to be the Audi SQ5 (same platform).

Everyone else is going to play catchup.
Yes, I know, I replied to the other post. GLA 45 AMG goes against Q3 RS.
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If the Macan has good throttle response at all rpms, a crisp MT and is free from typical SUV pitch and roll it's going to be pretty hard to resist given how well Porsche currently execute quality, performance and fun to drive cars. Very hard to resist indeed, until I see the final price tag after adding PDCC, PTV and sport exhaust to the Turbo that is...
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If you want "sport", you don't buy a SUV, its that simple. My wife is not a "sporty" driver, hence she has a X5…its the family car, kids use and abuse it, gets us skiing, and hauls gear. My 911 is a sports car.

To me, these small SUVs are completely useless cars…have zero extra carrying capacity, and all the negative qualities of a SUV. So basically for posers.
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If you want "sport", you don't buy a SUV, its that simple. My wife is not a "sporty" driver, hence she has a X5…its the family car, kids use and abuse it, gets us skiing, and hauls gear. My 911 is a sports car.

To me, these small SUVs are completely useless cars…have zero extra carrying capacity, and all the negative qualities of a SUV. So basically for posers.
It remains to be seen. If Porsche made a smaller sedan or the 991 could fit my kids I would not consider the Macan but as it stands it's the smallest and likely sportiest car they build with space for my two kids. I do suspect the Macan will feel more nimble and sportier than the Panny even if it's not faster. We'll see but I'm optimistic.
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It remains to be seen. If Porsche made a smaller sedan or the 991 could fit my kids I would not consider the Macan but as it stands it's the smallest and likely sportiest car they build with space for my two kids. I do suspect the Macan will feel more nimble and sportier than the Panny even if it's not faster. We'll see but I'm optimistic.
My previous post is totally my view. I still don't see how a small SUV will be sportier then a sedan…Porsche can only "bend" the laws of physics so much.

I drop off my 3 year old at school most days in my 991, zero issues. I could not fit a child behind me though, Im too tall. So two kids won't work unfortunately.
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If the Macan has good throttle response at all rpms, a crisp MT and is free from typical SUV pitch and roll it's going to be pretty hard to resist given how well Porsche currently execute quality, performance and fun to drive cars. Very hard to resist indeed, until I see the final price tag after adding PDCC, PTV and sport exhaust to the Turbo that is...
I think we'll only see a manual on the base model. The S and Turbo are both getting PDK standard (would love to have it with the 6 or 7 speed). As for pdcc and ptv, add the cayenne pricing of those options to the $75k price tag. The sport exhaust should be standard on the turbo.

The macan already has ptv on the rear axle.
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Porsche is rumored to have the macan at 3750-3850 lbs. Slightly more than the M3. Also rumored is 30mpg out of the Turbo.

I think it will be a great all around vehicle.
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Porsche is rumored to have the macan at 3750-3850 lbs. Slightly more than the M3. Also rumored is 30mpg out of the Turbo.

I think it will be a great all around vehicle.
That weight seems too good to be true, but not impossible. I think it will be around 3900-4000 since the Q5 is already ~4100. I expect the Porsche to be as, if not more luxurious than the Q5, so weight increases from there.
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The Macan is heavier than Q5, but has lower COG. Porsche will build a Pajun (5 Series rival), if one day Porsche build a 3 Series rival, note that Audi will have a new generation of lightweight RWD-based chassis, the 3 Series, including M3 is dead.
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Translated from German mag. AutoZeitung:
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There once was a sports car manufacturer who built only 911. According to the models Cayman, Boxster, Panamera , Cayenne, 918 and comes with the Macan now, which will build on the success of the Porsche Cayenne.

"The steers already clean one, right?" Porsche development chief Wolfgang Hatz can not hide a smile of satisfaction with our cornering. The Macan, Porsche's second SUV, the "small" Cayenne, so to speak, taking the curves as they come. Calm, stoic. This an SUV? No sway, no contortions around the vertical axis, even in fast S-curves is the Macan as the proverbial board. was previously the Cayenne the benchmark in the SUV, the lighter and smaller Macan has even more maneuverable and agile. Only at high lateral accelerations, where many of its competitors because of its driving dynamics handicaps acquaintance had been made with the green, the Macan go gently into understeer. "Since we are still working on it, we drive up to the start of series production still from" Wolfgang Hatz are on the test drive safely.

PORSCHE MACAN: SUV WITH ENOUGH HORSEPOWER
Course has Macan also gathered the necessary horses under the hood. We drove the V6 turbo, which develops from a displacement of 3.6 liters, 400 hp and a torque of 520 Nm. The new engine is based on the V6, which is usually in the Panamera S does its job. For Macan, it was extended by a larger stroke of the crankshaft to 3.6 liters. In addition to the turbo there is to start two more engines - the aforementioned V6 in Macan S with 340 hp and a turbo diesel S with three liters and 258 hp.
The diesel comes by the way of Audi .

Spontaneously speaks on the turbo to the smallest movements of the accelerator, he works without vibration and smooth running. Under load it sounds sporty pitch. But perfectionist Hatz wants "something in the sound tune . "

No tuning is necessary in the performance. In about 4.8 seconds you want the SUV - with the help of Launch Control - from the state have reached 100 km / h. The top speed will exceed 260 km / h. "With start-stop system and sailing function we want to achieve single digit consumption values," Hatz set the ambitious target. Our test car was equipped with the optional air suspension, like a sporty and tight damper tuning, which offers amazing reserves - to the surprise of the shake-Macan with good ride comfort. And even in this Vorserienauto is heard neither a Fahrwerkspoltern still creaking of the body. Typical Porsche is also the "seat philosophy." The comfortable armchairs facing in front of an extremely large amount of adjustment. If you like, the seat can drive as far down that almost pays Sportwagenfeeling.

AUTOZEITUNG became the first magazine exclusively a Blickauf throw the interior. Three round instruments are centrally located, the center console is reminiscent of the Cayenne or Panamera. Also, the instrument panel, which is, however, carried out in the design somewhat rectangular. If desired, a quality Burmester sound system for good music provides. Most noticeable addition is the multi-function steering wheel, which is similar to that of the 918 Spyder. "This has incurred me from the beginning that I wanted to have in Macan," laughs Hatz. The three-spoke steering wheel contains the menu control and operate the phone and is also equipped with shift paddles, on the excellent seven-speed PDK is adapted to operate from ZF. The transitions are sitting, the dual-clutch transmission shifts quickly and smoothly. It supports a sporty driving style as well as the electro-mechanical steering system that works exactly and precisely. For the Grip Michelin Latitude Sport 3 tires (front 265/40 R 21, rear 295/35 R 21) responsible. Almost superfluous to mention that the big ventilated disc brakes are excellent to dose and delay brutal.

COUPE BODY
Of about 4.70 meters long Porsche Macan (width: 1.93 m, height: 1.62 m) is indeed on the modified platform of the Audi Q5, physical appearances are not otherwise determine.

The entry into the World Macan should start at around € 60,000, the turbo is driven by us facilitate the account by about 80,000 euros. But already, the Cayenne has proved how successfully can be a Porsche SUV. Currently by far the best-selling Porsche brought a good 75,000 times at the man in the past year. Wolfgang Hatz is at Macan full of confidence: "We have found a really good car on the wheels. I'm not worried, the Macan is a success. "
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