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      09-01-2013, 05:34 AM   #45
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Tires and traction will need to improve too. Maybe even new roadway surfaces.
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      09-01-2013, 09:26 AM   #46
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Captain Kirk was still driving his stingray in the year 2400. Lol.
I am hoping that my great, great, great, great, great, great grandson may still have my E92 M3
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Captain Kirk was still driving his stingray in the year 2400. Lol.
I am hoping that my great, great, great, great, great, great grandson may still have my E92 M3
I will hoard parts and rod bearings and sell them for $$$$$ in about 300 years. Should be a great investment. Who says car parts are not worth anything?
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HP numbers will keep going up
Will be interesting to see a Honda Accord with 600hp in 10 years...
I'm watching them right now at the Baltimore Grand Prix Izod Indy Car race. Lol
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      09-01-2013, 03:16 PM   #49
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My prognostication - horsepower is near peak but weight will continue to decline (thanks to lightweight materials) juxtaposed against bigger torque (corresponding with the phase out of naturally aspirated engines and further accelerated by the massive torque of electric motors)
I agree with this.

Engines will get smaller, lighter, more powerful and more efficient. Cars will get lighter with use the of composites. CF and similar materials will find their way into economy cars instead of just supercars.

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New car technology are all adaptations of hardcore physics and engineering research. I suspect a breaking new technology will appear like nothing we have known before. From a pure engineering standpoint moving one or two people using a 2 ton object is 5% efficient. Horsepower per killogram displaced will have to replace engine horsepower. I expect a reduction of 10 times in the mass of cars and at the same 10 times increase in artificial intelligence and collisions avoidance. Collision between moving objects will become a fun fact of the past talked about in history books. Instead of cruise controlling speed, we will cruise control acceleration as people get airborne spending half of their trip accelerating to insane speeds and the other half deccelerating back before reaching their destination. The automatic autopilot will be so capable that the human passenger will be allowed to toy blindfolded with the commands and no accident will be possible. The fun will no longer be about being transported but in moving to 5 or more different locations around the globe in the same day and everyday.
as someone who has worked in the automotive industry for a number of years i can agree that this stuff is on most people's minds. removed your last part
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That would be sick to world trravel daily. Could pay a few posters a visit.
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      09-02-2013, 09:42 AM   #51
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991 porsche turbo is now 550/520 or something if that sorts. There is a 850hp mustang you can buy out of the box. LOL. Arent 328i close to 300 now?
Mustang GT500 puts out 650hp 600tq not 850hp

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A toyota Sienna makes more then 225hp from a 3.5 v6
The list of 3.5 v6 that make well over 300hp is huge from E350 MB, TL, IS350, Q50, v6 Mustang, v6 Camaro, STI, hyundai Genesis. The amount cars with 3.5 motor producing over 300hp is massive now.

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I think we're going to see Engine HP + Electric Motor output wars.

Bragging rights to see who can get the most overall power out put with the smallest petrol engine supplemented by an electric drivetrain.
It begins with 918 porsche spyder 887hp with Ferrari claimed 963hp coming next, lamborghini, NSX following soon after.
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991 porsche turbo is now 550/520 or something if that sorts. There is a 850hp mustang you can buy out of the box. LOL. Arent 328i close to 300 now?
Mustang GT500 puts out 650hp 600tq not 850hp
2013 mustang shelby GT500 is 850hp buddy.
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2013 mustang shelby GT500 is 850hp buddy.
Nope he's right 650 @ 6250rpm.
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      09-02-2013, 12:42 PM   #54
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I think OP may have something, considering the new M3 is getting a measly 1hp increase and nobody seems to be complaining
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      09-02-2013, 12:49 PM   #55
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I think OP may have something, considering the new M3 is getting a measly 1hp increase and nobody seems to be complaining
1hp? Thought the new m3-m4 was to be around 450hp so 36hp gain.
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      09-02-2013, 01:27 PM   #56
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1hp? Thought the new m3-m4 was to be around 450hp so 36hp gain.
That would be nice! Ive heard 415hp and 395tq. Can anyone comment?
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      09-02-2013, 01:34 PM   #57
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That would be nice! Ive heard 415hp and 395tq. Can anyone comment?
Even if that's what it is stock tuning will get you to 600 easily in a 3300 lb car. Should perform okay.
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      09-02-2013, 01:48 PM   #58
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Horsepower can be very misleading. In fact, M3 driver should know this the most - it is surpassed in Horsepower by a lot of its competition (C63) but eventually ends up being the better car due to balance and how it applies that power.

I hope they make more responsive, direct, and tactile and precise feeling cars, even if they are slower. In other words, this is what Porsche does, especially with the Cayman and Boxster.

Power gets old quickly; but how a great car feels under your control never does, even if it's not that most powerful.
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Even if that's what it is stock tuning will get you to 600 easily in a 3300 lb car. Should perform okay.
That's the point! Its no longer about horsepower( at least in the M3/4) its about shaving 400 pounds of weight and adding torque for daily drivers.

Although the tq is just a by product of turbo charging. I don't think there making this car for us track guys anymore?

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Although the tq is just a by product of turbo charging. I don't think there making this car for us track guys anymore?
You could be right, and I don't care. I don't want one for that. If I bought one it would be for me as a fun personal street vehicle. That being said I may be looking elsewhere for that, stuttgart probably.
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And you base this assumption on the ever fatter new iterations of cars?
NO. He is basing it on Carbon fiber, and aluminum usage.
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2013 mustang shelby GT500 is 850hp buddy.
Nope he's right 650 @ 6250rpm.
I guess to clarify - Look up Shelby GT500 Super Snake edition. $95k - 850hp.

Motortrend already has this on youtube. I watched it last week. Why yall doubting?

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I guess to clarify - Look up Shelby GT500 Super Snake edition. $95k - 850hp.

Motortrend already has this on youtube. I watched it last week. Why yall doubting?

Dang People! When Colonel PKim1079 says it is 850hp, then 850hp it is. End of discussion!
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I guess to clarify - Look up Shelby GT500 Super Snake edition. $95k - 850hp.

Motortrend already has this on youtube. I watched it last week. Why yall doubting?

well you never said super snake!
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i also dislike all the HP wars. Higher HP cars today, but they all weigh much more. Nowadays, 500 HP on a 4000+lb car is no better performer than the FR-S.

This is why I sold my E92 M3 for a 328i. Lower weight to power ratio.
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i also dislike all the HP wars. Higher HP cars today, but they all weigh much more. Nowadays, 500 HP on a 4000+lb car is no better performer than the FR-S.

This is why I sold my E92 M3 for a 328i. Lower weight to power ratio.
Very good first point but you can't be serious about selling the M3 to go to a 328i. No disrespect intended but I had one, great car, but would not go back again unless it was my daily driver/utility car. Especially FROM an M3. The 328i was noticeably lighter and more steering feel but would never get rid of an M3 in favor in a million years.
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