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      08-07-2013, 12:39 PM   #45
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RS5/6, Audi of Hawaii has such poor customer service and is fair to say, racist.

9114S, did come close with attractive lease offers, but I was compulsive that day when I saw my M3. I wasn't even looking for a car but just drove her off the lot.

GTR, well, I'm not stupid... $125k for a Nissan. Pass.

AMG, never considered due to poor reliability.

Caddy, never even crossed my mind. I would never buy American, poor build quality and low resale.
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That said, there are some upcoming cars that are pretty spectacular that you didn't include -- such as:

Jaguar F-Type
Nissan GT-R (2014)

Those two, along with certain Porsches, do give the M3 a run for it's money
Jaguar, really? I do like the classic E-Type, but the new F-Type is a GT-R competitor? Wow.

GT-R, a league of its own. Love to have one in addition to my M3 though

Yes! Porsche GT-3 RS. Then we are talking $150k +.

M3 is still my choice for best bang per buck in this high performance league.
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Audi of Hawaii has such poor customer service and is fair to say, racist.

Porsche did come close with attractive lease offers, but I was compulsive that day when I saw my M3. I wasn't even looking for a car but just drove her off the lot.

MB never considered due to poor reliability.

Caddy was never even crossed my mind. I would not buy American, poor build quality and low resale.
I've owned a C63, and own a CLS63.. My experience with MB thus far has been far superior in terms of reliability.

I've had a e46 M3 with SMG issues, a 335i with HPFP, and never ending wastegate rattle issues (replaced the turbos twice) and now my e93 M3.. which has been in the shop a total of 4.5 months in the past year.

The issues were with the stereo and then the idle control valve but it all stemmed from a leaking top and flooded amplifier. The car could have been fixed easily but my local stealership has a bunch of techs that ride the short bus to work.

Opinions should be based on each vehicles attributes, not blanket statements about American cars, or nonsense claims about reliability. M3's are and always have been the benchmark in the segment. It's really up to the owners of the other vehicles to rationalize why they chose not to go with an M3.
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Jaguar F-Type
Nissan GT-R (2014)

Those two, along with certain Porsches, do give the M3 a run for it's money. :
GTR is a 110,000 car. to much money for this comparison. at that point we which include a ZR1 and R8.....

i think AMG, RS5, and CTSV, are more on point with the m3. being luxury sports cars. and being well under 100k cars .
Sure, but I'm saying they become more viable as options if the M4 does turn out to be $85k. I can't speak for others, but for me, I'd be willing to pay another $15-20k to have a ~2.5 second 0-60 GT-R over a ~4.5 second M4. The Jaguar is another even cheaper option because it is more like $95k in its highest trim level of 495hp, granted its 0-60 isn't quite as stellar as the GT-R but it's one of the most beautiful new cars on the market, hands down.

And yes I know, these aren't drag racing cars and 0-60 times are certainly not the best qualifier for comparison, but they're a quick way to gauge overall performance.

The ZR1 is still "just" a Corvette, and to me it's overpriced for what you get. There is little justification in choosing it over a GT-R at its price point. The R8 OTOH is a good addition to the list, but in the higher trims (V10) they're going for more like $150k and again, the GT-R will outmatch them for $40k less.
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The car could have been fixed easily but my local stealership has a bunch of techs that ride the short bus to work.
LMAO! "Techs that ride the short bus to work."

I had the same problem on my E46 SMG and E92 335i but was a quick and hassle-free fix. Sorry to hear that the BMW's have been more problematic than the Benz.

I used to work for the local MB dealership, the problems I saw, I just could not believe.
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That said, there are some upcoming cars that are pretty spectacular that you didn't include -- such as:

Jaguar F-Type
Nissan GT-R (2014)

Those two, along with certain Porsches, do give the M3 a run for it's money
Jaguar, really? I do like the classic E-Type, but the new F-Type is a GT-R competitor? Wow.

GT-R, a league of its own. Love to have one in addition to my M3 though

Yes! Porsche GT-3 RS. Then we are talking $150k +.

M3 is still my choice for best bang per buck in this high performance league.
I'm not saying the F-Type is a GT-R competitor on the track, but in looks? F-Type hands down. It's also $15k cheaper than the GT-R and only $10k over the "rumored" pricing of the M4.
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I would be shocked if that were the case, particularly since the current M3 didn't really sell that well, which is likely at least partially attributable to the price increase over the E46 M3. There's nothing I've seen so far to suggest anything that would make the M4 worth much of a price increase -- the engine in fact is arguably a downgrade, vs both Audi and MB are sticking with V8s in their competitors.
I agree with you completely, I was shocked when I started seeing the threads suggesting it would incur a price-bump. Overall I believe the performance has to be higher (however small) than the current M3 though, which is what they'll use to justify the price increase
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Sure, but I'm saying they become more viable as options if the M4 does turn out to be $85k. I can't speak for others, but for me, I'd be willing to pay another $15-20k to have a ~2.5 second 0-60 GT-R over a ~4.5 second M4. The Jaguar is another even cheaper option because it is more like $95k in its highest trim level of 495hp, granted its 0-60 isn't quite as stellar as the GT-R but it's one of the most beautiful new cars on the market, hands down.
I agree. But I wouldn't get a GTR.
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Ftype is a vert. No thanks.

Used m3 is 55k.

Gtr is in another league. At that point i would get a gt3 rs.

M3 is a great car for its worth. Its the middle weight champion. Maybe pound for pound too. Its not in the heavy weight category. Even roy jones jr failed at going heavyweight.
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I'll never buy an AWD car as my fun performance car. For me RWD is what makes a car fun to drive. AWD just makes it safer and easier to drive. That's why Audi is never even a consideration for me. Not to mention the numb steering that comes with it. The RS5 would be a great car for my wife though. Same goes for the GTR. I don't care if it goes 0-60 in 1 second. The weight and AWD turns me off completely. The CTS V is just meh. Like others have said, its not special/focused enough. Just a big engine in a sport sedan body.

The closest competitor for me is the C63, but I much prefer a scalpel to a sledgehammer as many magazines describe it. High-revving N/A engines are what really get my attention. When I hear about cars that rev to 9000 rpms...
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Sounds like the E9X M3 is an attainable dream car for many of us. Best all around car with arguably the best handling and best steering feedback for cars under $100k.
6 speed Manual trans, one of the best DCT, racing heritage, Track or Daily car, head turner (still is at the final year of its production) and usable rear seats, what's not to love?
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It will beat every car you mentioned on the track by a long shoot, and them others car a Crapmissions (crap transmissions), Looks better, handles better, its just better, Its ah Bimmer man.


This response sounds foolish. Stop being a fanboy.
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I'll never buy an AWD car as my fun performance car. For me RWD is what makes a car fun to drive. AWD just makes it safer and easier to drive. That's why Audi is never even a consideration for me. Not to mention the numb steering that comes with it. The RS5 would be a great car for my wife though. Same goes for the GTR. I don't care if it goes 0-60 in 1 second. The weight and AWD turns me off completely. The CTS V is just meh. Like others have said, its not special/focused enough. Just a big engine in a sport sedan body.

The closest competitor for me is the C63, but I much prefer a scalpel to a sledgehammer as many magazines describe it. High-revving N/A engines are what really get my attention. When I hear about cars that rev to 9000 rpms...
+1000. Couldn't agree more. The only car that matches the M3's fun for the money is the Corvette, but obviously a different level of practicality and build quality (not to mention Vettes don't age well from a looks perspective).
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+1000. Couldn't agree more. The only car that matches the M3's fun for the money is the Corvette, but obviously a different level of practicality and build quality (not to mention Vettes don't age well from a looks perspective).
Don't forget the base cayman S and boxster S. agree though the C7 takes the cake for best bang for buck available.
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i think AMG, RS5, and CTSV, are more on point with the m3. being luxury sports cars. and being well under 100k cars .
I absolutely agree. Some people may even include the IS-F, but since a stock 328i handles better than the IS-F, so it is not even a contender in this league.
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Because its the best all around car. Period.
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Because its the best all around car. Period.
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