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      08-14-2013, 11:53 PM   #353
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What no independent thought, just what someone else thinks or says.
Sounds like a canned demagogic smoke screen. And a rather uninspired one at that.

Considering that the primary value of the aforementioned research is that it is based on factual data, I wonder what the above poster means by contraposing the therm "independent" to that approach. Like "independent from facts", perhaps? Delusional? Delirious?

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      08-15-2013, 01:52 AM   #354
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The problem is the definition of 'intelligence'.
Local (minute problem solving) verses global (macro comprehension or 'getting' of life)..
Andrey, so Intelligence+religiousity=1 ? (the two are inversely related)
Then are you overestimating intelligence and underestimating 'religiousity', which could otherwise understood as macro comprehension or wisdom.. ?
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      08-15-2013, 11:36 AM   #355
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its hard to comment when we can't access the full meta-analysis. i'd like to see the controls they had in place to take into account environment, socioeconomic factors, etc.
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      08-15-2013, 04:18 PM   #356
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Just because nature has (as far as we can tell) always operated by fixed laws does not mean logic to understand them has always existed.

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log·ic [ lójjik ]
1.theory of reasoning: the branch of philosophy that deals with the theory of deductive and inductive arguments and aims to distinguish good from bad reasoning
2.system or instance of reasoning: any system of, or an instance of, reasoning and inference
3.sensible argument and thought: sensible rational thought and argument rather than ideas that are influenced by emotion or whim
Logic is a process and idea, and doesn't exist outside of a mind, even if everything were still operating by fixed laws of nature.
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      08-16-2013, 02:44 AM   #357
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Logic is how we can perceive/comprehend how the world works/the laws of nature.
It exists, and 'logic' is the tool of our conceptual mind that allows us to make sense of the world - to see the law of nature/that things makes sense, as opposed to being random
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      08-19-2013, 12:00 PM   #358
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Looking at people’s names and locations this forum appears to be filled with very diverse group of people….which I have to say is very refreshing!
Hell there are even two girls here! Who knew!

Anyhow…I grew up in the (SPIT) Islamic (FUCKING) Republic of Iran. I had the great pleasure of being in Iran during the Iran and Iraq war. If you are too young to know what that is look it up. Long story short 1 million people died because some looser spoke to his imaginary friend. As such I have a very bad taste in my mouth when some ignoramus starts talking about the virtues of a theocracy.
Now that said…..I also find it very offensive when people introduce themselves at “Joe Dick and I am a Christian”.
I half feel like saying “I am Shah…self proclaimed ruler of the universe” ….yeah good luck proving me wrong with that one!

Am I the only one offended by this type of introduction or are there others like me?
What do people outside of the US feel about this?
What are your views on Zoroastrianism?
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Just browsing, thought I'd revive an old thread...I wouldn't introduce myself as a christian, but Jesus is my best friend and He's certainly the most important in my life. I think we should be able to have respectful debates regarding His true identity, Muslims believe He was just a prophet, JWs believe he was Michael the archangel reincarnated, buddha believes Him to be a great teacher. Jesus never lets you get away with anything other than "I'm God" and His amazing offer of Grace and forgiveness is open to ALL, no matter where you've been or how much you've cursed God...cause He loves you actually.
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      09-13-2014, 04:02 PM   #360
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OP, you wrote: "I half feel like saying 'I am Shah…self proclaimed ruler of the universe' ….yeah good luck proving me wrong with that one!"

It won't be hard to prove you wrong at all.

Of all things one needs to be accepted/proven as the ruler of anything, the single most important thing is a critical mass of subjects who accept him/her as their ruler. I'm fairly certain you are a long way from achieving that critical mass.

The second thing a ruler needs is a viable means -- be it political or militaristic or a combination of the two -- of ensuring that his rule cannot be overthrown. There again, my guess is you are nowhere near having achieved that capability.

So, though you may wake one day and make your proclamation, that will be one situation where you perception is far from everyone else's reality and that means you will be wrong.

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Looking at people’s names and locations this forum appears to be filled with very diverse group of people….which I have to say is very refreshing!
Hell there are even two girls here! Who knew!

Anyhow…I grew up in the (SPIT) Islamic (FUCKING) Republic of Iran. I had the great pleasure of being in Iran during the Iran and Iraq war. If you are too young to know what that is look it up. Long story short 1 million people died because some looser spoke to his imaginary friend. As such I have a very bad taste in my mouth when some ignoramus starts talking about the virtues of a theocracy.
Now that said…..I also find it very offensive when people introduce themselves at “Joe Dick and I am a Christian”.
I half feel like saying “I am Shah…self proclaimed ruler of the universe” ….yeah good luck proving me wrong with that one!

Am I the only one offended by this type of introduction or are there others like me?
What do people outside of the US feel about this?
You seem to be easily offended. This is America, where everyone is entitled to their beliefs, so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. Some people are vocal about their religious beliefs, some aren't...some people like ketchup on their eggs, some don't. I don't know how long you have lived here, but the sooner you accept the fact that there will be others have different beliefs/opinions from your own, the sooner you will start enjoying life.
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Shah 269 I have no idea what your issues are but I would suggest you get counseling. It should be self evident that this site is for issues and comments related to BMW's and nothing to do with religion.
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Shah 269 I have no idea what your issues are but I would suggest you get counseling. It should be self evident that this site is for issues and comments related to BMW's and nothing to do with religion.
Actually, this thread is in the "Off Topics" forum, under the Politics/Religion forum.
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      09-15-2014, 05:45 PM   #364
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Shah 269 I have no idea what your issues are but I would suggest you get counseling. It should be self evident that this site is for issues and comments related to BMW's and nothing to do with religion.
it also should be self evident that Shah 269 hasn't posted in this thread for over a year.

Please don't provoke him to come back to this forum.
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