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      07-11-2013, 02:07 PM   #23
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Is there a breakdown of how many units were sold broken down by year?

I think for most cars the first 2 years have the highest sales?
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      07-11-2013, 02:12 PM   #24
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Wow, so there was only 5867 E90 M3s sold in the US/Canada for the entire production run...

I feel special :-)
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      07-11-2013, 02:18 PM   #25
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I would hate to see the manual go. I bought a 97 M3 sedan in manual a week ago.
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Looks like e90 owners in USA and Canada got it right...
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      07-11-2013, 02:20 PM   #27
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I sometimes drive my dad's E93 DCT and we have same thought: MT is way more engaging to drive but shifting down with DCT is priceless. MT makes M3 feels more agressive but DCT makes it more refined. You change way more time speeds with DCT than with MT due to the effortless flappy paddles. In the end of the day it really changes the driving experience of the M3. It will be sad if M4 will not be avaible in MT. The truth is that the M4 will really designed for DCT and it could be risky to order one in MT. But I have to say that I liked to drive the 1M even with its lag.
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Wow, so there was only 5867 E90 M3s sold in the US/Canada for the entire production run...

I feel special :-)

you should, beautiful car.

Reminds me of cars companies build like the 2008 R32 from Volkswagen. It was a 1/5000 build with badges and individual numbering. I never generally look at the splits for these type of sales but its fascinating to see...

I will truly miss buying a true manual as they fade away. I love my E92 (335i) I bought in 2007 and have enjoyed my almost 150,000 miles on it.

It's hard to justify the added engineering and development costs to keep the true manual alive.... how long? I hope it will not be fully gone in my lifetime.
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      07-11-2013, 02:23 PM   #29
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Wow there are only 15,799 E92 M3's in the US/Canada? I expected it to be higher.
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      07-11-2013, 02:26 PM   #30
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It will be sad if M4 will not be avaible in MT. The truth is that the M4 will really designed for DCT and it could be risky to order one in MT. But I have to say that I liked to drive the 1M even with its lag.
No worries, F80 M3 / F82 M4 will be available with MT.
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      07-11-2013, 02:28 PM   #31
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It will be sad if M4 will not be avaible in MT. The truth is that the M4 will really designed for DCT and it could be risky to order one in MT. But I have to say that I liked to drive the 1M even with its lag.
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No worries, F80 M3 / F82 M4 will be available with MT.
Even in Europa?
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      07-11-2013, 02:47 PM   #32
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and there you have it, proof in the numbers DCT is the preferred transmission...from a demand standpoint, EVERYONE in the world essentially prefers DCT, and as such, BMW only offered DCT in the F10 M5 for RoW.


This is also hard proof that Americans are truely keeping the 6MT alive! It's also interesting as it shows, the "hardcore" 6MT drivers, all chose to buy the 2008 models, IE the first year production. As the final years heavily favored DCT.
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Wow there are only 15,799 E92 M3's in the US/Canada? I expected it to be higher.
i think the recession in 2008 didn't help...
most of the times, a significant portion of the sales would occur on the launch year or 1 year rolling time frame from launch.
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      07-11-2013, 02:49 PM   #34
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and there you have it, proof in the numbers DCT is the preferred transmission...from a demand standpoint, EVERYONE in the world essentially prefers DCT, and as such, BMW only offered DCT in the F10 M5 for RoW.


This is also hard proof that Americans are truely keeping the 6MT alive! It's also interesting as it shows, the "hardcore" 6MT drivers, all chose to buy the 2008 models, IE the first year production. As the final years heavily favored DCT.
or 6mt buyers are cheap?
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      07-11-2013, 02:49 PM   #35
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So post LCI, the "family friendly" E90s had a manual tranny take rate of ~22%, while the "sports car" E92s had an M/T take rate of ~17%..funny
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some of those numbers don't make sense
you mean to tell me more E90 M3s were sold in right hand markets than the rest of the world (excluding US)?
which means more E90s were sold in UK, South Africa, India, and Australia than all of Europe, Russia, China, Arab Gulf countries, South America combined?
no way
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      07-11-2013, 02:50 PM   #37
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and there you have it, proof in the numbers DCT is the preferred transmission...from a demand standpoint, EVERYONE in the world essentially prefers DCT, and as such, BMW only offered DCT in the F10 M5 for RoW.


This is also hard proof that Americans are truely keeping the 6MT alive! It's also interesting as it shows, the "hardcore" 6MT drivers, all chose to buy the 2008 models, IE the first year production. As the final years heavily favored DCT.
or 6mt buyers are cheap?
Or the first wave of E90s were all 6mt...duh
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or 6mt buyers are cheap?
if that's the case, then how do you make a E90 6MT Civic-M3 stripper buyer?
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Or the first wave of E90s were all 6mt...duh
yes they were. good point. was just taking shot at mdosu.
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some of those numbers don't make sense
you mean to tell me more E90 M3s were sold in right hand markets than the rest of the world (excluding US)?
which means more E90s were sold in UK, South Africa, India, and Australia than all of Europe, Russia, China, Arab Gulf countries, South America combined?
no way
sounds right actually, b/c the top 3 M markets are USA, UK, Germany...in that order. More UK customers than German.

And Chinese M sales I've seen somewhere is REALLY low, less than Japan.
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Jeez thats quite a switch in regards to the pre lci vs lci. Wonder why there was such a change.

My guess is that the driving enthusiasts are always the first to jump on the new generation M. Once that first wave dies down, the average consumer just goes for the easier auto-capable transmission.
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My guess is that the driving enthusiasts are always the first to jump on the new generation M. Once that first wave dies down, the average consumer just goes for the easier auto-capable transmission.
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it's also solely the American market that's keeping the 6MT alive. For some models, 6MT is about 10% of the total takedown...that's enough to stop production of 6MT versions from an efficiency standpoint if you're designing a new product (like the F10 M5)
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Numbers are reasonable but I'm still surprised how many people choose flappy paddles. If you want a driver's car, then drive it.

I've spent a reasonable amount of time with some of best gearboxes out there, from Ferrari Italia, selection of P-cars and the F12M6/F10M5. Sure, they're all great cars and impressive transmissions, but honestly...after a few tours through the gears each one of them, boring (except maybe the italian). It makes a little more sense for a Grand Tourer M5/M6, Panamera...but the M3 is meant to be driven.

The throttle blips on downshift by the DTC are amazing, but nothing's better than achieving the same with your own two feet.

To each his own...my hope is that BMW and Porsche won't forget about the few of us die-hards still out there.
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