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      07-08-2013, 12:39 PM   #1
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Engine oil change & some recommendation

Hey guys,

I own E92 M3 and was wondering how often you guys change your engine oil. I normally change mine every 6,000 miles or 1 year, whichever comes first. This time, I am planning to change the oil because it's been a year, although I only drove it for 2,000 miles.

I also wonder whether you guys know any good places that you want to recommend to change the engine oil around the DC area, excluding any BMW dealerships. I used to go to BMW Rockville for services, but ever since the ownership changed, the prices are ridiculous! They now charge for the oil service (only changing oil & oil filter) without updating the service indicator for $350. Before the ownership change, they charged around $230 (without updating the service indicator). So I decided not to change it there.

Please suggest me if you guys know any reliable (and professional) places to get the service done.

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      07-08-2013, 04:07 PM   #2
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I changed mine at J&F in Arlington, VA. It comes out cheaper than any dealer. The cheapest oil change kit can be ordered at BMW Fairfax online website.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852339

BMW of Alexandria quoted me $300 recently, though I swear they quoted me $245 about 6 months ago.


In terms of oil change intervals, there's a lot of threads on this on the the main forum's Maintenance sub-forum, which has a lot of debate on mileage etc. But given that your car is really low miles (I assume you drive less thank 10k a year?), an annual change is sufficient. btw I drove about 7500 last year myself, so you and I are on the same boat.

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I change mine every ~7500 miles.

Also, use the search feature and/or google. The topic of recommended shops have been discussed before. Plenty of threads on the subject, both here and in the e90 section.
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      07-08-2013, 04:17 PM   #4
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I assume you're out of warranty so try an independent shop: BMW Excluservice in Rockville, RRT in Dulles, AtSpeed Motorsports in Hanover
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9 Qts of 10W-60 from Dealer w/CCA discount = $12 x9 = $108
Oil Filter w/CCA Discount = $17
Total for Parts alone = $125

I cannot justify paying another $125 for labor when the oil change usually takes only 30 min or less on a lift.

My local gas station has done oil changes for 3 E9x M3s and charged them only $20 (this is bringing parts to them)

Total Cost=$145.

Changing oil is not rocket science.
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      07-08-2013, 07:47 PM   #6
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9 Qts of 10W-60 from Dealer w/CCA discount = $12 x9 = $108
Oil Filter w/CCA Discount = $17
Total for Parts alone = $125

I cannot justify paying another $125 for labor when the oil change usually takes only 30 min or less on a lift.

My local gas station has done oil changes for 3 E9x M3s and charged them only $20 (this is bringing parts to them)

Total Cost=$145.

Changing oil is not rocket science.
which service station is this?
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      07-09-2013, 06:55 AM   #7
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which service station is this?
Considering you're in NoVa-check with your local gas station shop (Sunoco, Shell etc..) For them-an oil change is routine so you shouldn't be paying more than $20 (if you bring the oil + filter). They have all the necessary tools and of course-you can inspect their work live to make sure all is according to par (unlike a dealer that won't allow you in their shop )

Read up on the tools used per the oil change DIY guide before you go (in case their tech is newbie to the M3). I've done this with my previous E46 M3 for years with no issues..not sure why more people never did it.

Simply drain-fill-and go. Get the dealer out of the equation.
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      07-09-2013, 08:59 AM   #8
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Considering you're in NoVa-check with your local gas station shop (Sunoco, Shell etc..) For them-an oil change is routine so you shouldn't be paying more than $20 (if you bring the oil + filter). They have all the necessary tools and of course-you can inspect their work live to make sure all is according to par (unlike a dealer that won't allow you in their shop )

Read up on the tools used per the oil change DIY guide before you go (in case their tech is newbie to the M3). I've done this with my previous E46 M3 for years with no issues..not sure why more people never did it.

Simply drain-fill-and go. Get the dealer out of the equation.
i use to do that with my old car (Evo 8). Went to local indy service stations, had them do the change on front of me...but I just felt like I as hassling them when I'm sticking my nose in there. But sometimes the guy doing the change is a car nut and you can strike a conversation.
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      07-09-2013, 09:52 AM   #9
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i use to do that with my old car (Evo 8). Went to local indy service stations, had them do the change on front of me...but I just felt like I as hassling them when I'm sticking my nose in there. But sometimes the guy doing the change is a car nut and you can strike a conversation.
Yes. Most shops (especially gas stations) really don't care if you stick your nose in. Heck-if anything you can see what they do at arm's length.

With BMWs and cars like the M3-people need to stop treating it like a delicate gold clock.
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      07-09-2013, 09:54 AM   #10
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DIY!! Oil change is not hard and will save you money and time!
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Yes. Most shops (especially gas stations) really don't care if you stick your nose in. Heck-if anything you can see what they do at arm's length.

With BMWs and cars like the M3-people need to stop treating it like a delicate gold clock.
hmm..likely will take the M3 to my trusty Alrington Autocare shop next time!

To be honest, I just need to point to them and say, "see here? drain the front sump in addition to the oil pan, please use a Torex, and please tighten by hand".
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DIY!! Oil change is not hard and will save you money and time!
while I 100% agree and that was my plan a month ago, and then this happened:

1. my drain bolt started to strip b/c BMW service center overtightened it with a wrench
2. a few of us live in those apartment/condo highrises and working on a car in those cramp, poor air circulation conditions is problematic, and usually against building rules.
3. this car is way too low to work under, and a full assortment of jacks, stands, and ramps are needed to get the job done.

I use to change my oil myself all the time on the old car, then realized why am I doing all of it when you can pay a shop no more than $40 labor to do it...like what checkmate said, stop treating it like a fragile gold clock, it's not difficult for anyone to unbolt/unscrew 4 items, screw them back in, then pour oil...
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while I 100% agree and that was my plan a month ago, and then this happened:

1. my drain bolt started to strip b/c BMW service center overtightened it with a wrench
2. a few of us live in those apartment/condo highrises and working on a car in those cramp, poor air circulation conditions is problematic, and usually against building rules.
3. this car is way too low to work under, and a full assortment of jacks, stands, and ramps are needed to get the job done.

I use to change my oil myself all the time on the old car, then realized why am I doing all of it when you can pay a shop no more than $40 labor to do it...like what checkmate said, stop treating it like a fragile gold clock, it's not difficult for anyone to unbolt/unscrew 4 items, screw them back in, then pour oil...
This is very true. Where in NOVA are you? There is a DIY shop that has lifts in Sterling that I am a member of.
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I don't have a M3, but I recently got my 1M's oil changed at BMW of Silver Spring for roughly $90 with a coupon. I didn't even have to present the coupon - I just mentioned it and they gave me the discount. The 1M's oil change procedure is the same as the 135i so it is cheaper than the M3, but I don't think the coupon was limited to non-M models so you should give them a call to see if they will honor it for your M3.
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This is very true. Where in NOVA are you? There is a DIY shop that has lifts in Sterling that I am a member of.
Ballston metro, I'm aware of that shop, I think you PMd me a while back about it...

I posted this class with access to a lift that's also a possiblity, it's essentially an easier way to access a lift, but you need to plan to do a few installs to get it to be worth the cost b/c you're paying a flat rate of $180 for 8 sessions:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=812991

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I don't have a M3, but I recently got my 1M's oil changed at BMW of Silver Spring for roughly $90 with a coupon. I didn't even have to present the coupon - I just mentioned it and they gave me the discount. The 1M's oil change procedure is the same as the 135i so it is cheaper than the M3, but I don't think the coupon was limited to non-M models so you should give them a call to see if they will honor it for your M3.
thanks, aware of it already. it was limited to non-M cars and limited in quantity of oil.
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DIY!! Oil change is not hard and will save you money and time!
+1 I mean seriously after a while you would want to do it yourself. IT's fun and usually after that you start working on all your car problems alone. After learning how to change my low fuel pressure sensor by the help of one of the members anything that comes up i try doing it myself after research.
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I changed mine at J&F in Arlington, VA. It comes out cheaper than any dealer. The cheapest oil change kit can be ordered at BMW Fairfax online website.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852339

BMW of Alexandria quoted me $300 recently, though I swear they quoted me $245 about 6 months ago.


In terms of oil change intervals, there's a lot of threads on this on the the main forum's Maintenance sub-forum, which has a lot of debate on mileage etc. But given that your car is really low miles (I assume you drive less thank 10k a year?), an annual change is sufficient. btw I drove about 7500 last year myself, so you and I are on the same boat.
Another vote here for J&F......honest and competent...
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For the guys who are DIY-ing their oil changes: could you recommend a specific set of ramps that you use? Given the low clearance of our cars, I'm concerned about being able to get up on ramps without scraping the bottom.
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For the guys who are DIY-ing their oil changes: could you recommend a specific set of ramps that you use? Given the low clearance of our cars, I'm concerned about being able to get up on ramps without scraping the bottom.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=850279
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