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      04-28-2013, 10:17 PM   #1
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Exclamation New Tire: Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3

any of you guys thinking of getting michelin's new all season tire?

i believe these are replacements for the current pilot sport a/s plus.

launch tire sizes will be relased 5/1/13.

hopefully they will have oem gts sizes 255/35/19 285/30/19.

http://www.michelinman.com/tire-sele...ls#page_header
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      04-29-2013, 05:56 AM   #2
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I don't need an all-season tire for the M3, but if I did, no question this is going to be the one to buy. From what I've heard, the dry performance of this tire is equal to or better than some other high end summer tires (i.e. Conti DW for one). Michelin is basically creating a new class of tire -- extreme performance all-season -- it would appear. It's going to be interesting to see the test results.
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I don't need an all-season tire for the M3, but if I did, no question this is going to be the one to buy. From what I've heard, the dry performance of this tire is equal to or better than some other high end summer tires (i.e. Conti DW for one). Michelin is basically creating a new class of tire -- extreme performance all-season -- it would appear. It's going to be interesting to see the test results.
Yes, I heard it's better than the DW in the dry from the subjective testers invited to the Michelin event.

Extreme Performance all season is an oxymoron since it's not really extreme at any one particular thing but meant to be good at everything. It's more comparable to the Max performance summer tires than the Extreme ones which focus almost exclusively on dry performance for street tires.

We don't need any more categories though
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      04-29-2013, 02:33 PM   #4
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Interesting. But could this all season truely replace dedicated winter tires in cold climates (-25C/-13F)?
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Interesting. But could this all season truely replace dedicated winter tires in cold climates (-25C/-13F)?
I would say no way. For temps like those, you definitely need a dedicated winter tire.
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I don't see the point? Maybe on an AWD car these would get you home if stuck in a surprise storm but our cars would never leave the parking lot because they will lose most of the sharp edges on what limited siping there is as soon as they are driven somewhat aggressively. And if they won't be driven aggressively why buy the super high performance all-season? I love Michelin's product but I have yet to meet an all-season that does what it purports to do, they all turn out to be "no-season" tires
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full list of tire sizes are released in link above and oem gts are available .
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      07-01-2013, 09:57 AM   #8
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tires are now available... anyone plan on getting these?

oem gts sizes:
255/35/19: $270 each
285/30/19: $322 each
total: $1,184 + shipping via tirerack
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I don't understand why anyone would get these for an M3. I would recommend doing it right and getting proper summer tires and proper snow tires. I would not be happy with sub-par performance year-round.
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This looks like a great winter tire for me. Normally we only get an occasional dusting in the valley. Added cold weather grip in the rain is the biggie for me.
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I'm running A/S because there's no way I can store separate winter and summer tires in NYC. Curious how these compare to the A/S Plus which I have right now.
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I'm running A/S because there's no way I can store separate winter and summer tires in NYC. Curious how these compare to the A/S Plus which I have right now.
I'm in the SAME situation.

I'd love to hear anyone's 0.02$ that actually has a pair installed. NYC winters are usually ok, barring a day or two of heavy snow. So, these are a very attractive option for me.


Just waiting to hear if it's worth it.
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I was going to pick these up but needed tires badly. Ended up with Super Sports. Will eventually throw these on.
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I'm running A/S because there's no way I can store separate winter and summer tires in NYC. Curious how these compare to the A/S Plus which I have right now.
Are there tire shops outside the city that would store your second set of wheels & tires?
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Are there tire shops outside the city that would store your second set of wheels & tires?

Not really and also not really worth the headache. AS is good enough for the winter because the car is purely for enjoyment and I don't need to use it in heavy snow. During the summer, I'm not good enough on the track to really know the difference compared to the PSS.
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So with the 18inch OEM Sizes of 245/40 and 265/40, do we go up to 255/40 and 275/40 since 265/40 doesn't appear to be an available size?

I am looking at these of more of a three-season tire, the M will get garaged in true winter, but Oct/Nov and early spring still have some very cold mornings and I'd rather not drive out in Summer Tires at 6AM to work.
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The Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 #PSAS3 is getting some pretty awesome reviews! I have tested them out myself and they are crazy good! Definitely a game changer in the all-season category. The BMW Blog wrote up a really good review of them which you can read here: http://www.bmwblog.com/2013/01/22/bm...ot-sport-as-3/
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The A/S3 definitely looks promising. Michelin is claiming dramatic increases in summertime traction while maintaining the treadlife and winter traction of the A/S Plus. I've driven them on our test track and was impressed with the grip level. We have not crunched all the numbers yet from our instrumented testing to say exactly where they stand as far as grip level.

It's impressive that they even dare to compare their all seasons to summer tires. They may even beat out some of the lesser tires in the summer category, certainly the cooler the weather the better chance they will have. I do NOT think they will equal the dry grip of the true class leaders, like the Pilot Super Sport.

I do think that Michelin has some wizardry in their tire carcass construction as far as managing contact patch shape, and it's allowing them to really step up the level of grip without needing a softer compound. They haven't come out and said how much of their performance gains come from which technology. But with the PSS and AS3 both touting their enhanced contact patch shape, and both breaking the mold for their categories as far as grip level, I suspect that is the 'special sauce.'
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The A/S3 definitely looks promising. Michelin is claiming dramatic increases in summertime traction while maintaining the treadlife and winter traction of the A/S Plus. I've driven them on our test track and was impressed with the grip level. We have not crunched all the numbers yet from our instrumented testing to say exactly where they stand as far as grip level.

It's impressive that they even dare to compare their all seasons to summer tires. They may even beat out some of the lesser tires in the summer category, certainly the cooler the weather the better chance they will have. I do NOT think they will equal the dry grip of the true class leaders, like the Pilot Super Sport.

I do think that Michelin has some wizardry in their tire carcass construction as far as managing contact patch shape, and it's allowing them to really step up the level of grip without needing a softer compound. They haven't come out and said how much of their performance gains come from which technology. But with the PSS and AS3 both touting their enhanced contact patch shape, and both breaking the mold for their categories as far as grip level, I suspect that is the 'special sauce.'
Michelin surprised me with the have-your-cake-and-eat-it PSS so I'm ready to eat crow here, but comparing favorably to summer tires likely means these will be total crap in winter. Which is no different than any other all-season, but calling a tire all-season doesn't make it so. I own a set of the purportedly awesome all-season Conti DWS's and they're terribly disappointing in terms of dry grip compared to even a lackluster summer tire, and wet grip isn't much better. As for snow...please. They're round and hold air and don't turn into bricks below 35F, that's all I ask of them. Hopefully the AS/3 are a huge step up from the DWS... All of the tires on my street cars (truck, 335, and M3) are Michelins so I am definitely a fan of their products but I don't kid myself either
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Michelin surprised me with the have-your-cake-and-eat-it PSS so I'm ready to eat crow here, but comparing favorably to summer tires likely means these will be total crap in winter. Which is no different than any other all-season, but calling a tire all-season doesn't make it so. I own a set of the purportedly awesome all-season Conti DWS's and they're terribly disappointing in terms of dry grip compared to even a lackluster summer tire, and wet grip isn't much better. As for snow...please. They're round and hold air and don't turn into bricks below 35F, that's all I ask of them. Hopefully the AS/3 are a huge step up from the DWS... All of the tires on my street cars (truck, 335, and M3) are Michelins so I am definitely a fan of their products but I don't kid myself either
Rich. They're versatile like RA-1's. Rain (snow?) tires when new and then race tires when worn down to 4/32.
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Rich. They're versatile like RA-1's. Rain (snow?) tires when new and then race tires when worn down to 4/32.
lol

But is it legal to camber shave them? And what happens when the compound changes mid-cycle and they suddenly start to suck?

Also, 4/32 is a mud tire, back when I was srs bzns I *started* at 2/32. Season in one session, let sit, 1 q, 1 race, toss, repeat. Worked well when winning enough contingency to buy a set of tires per weekend, would totally suck if not. Tire management was the single most annoying thing about Spec Miata on Toyoa because seasoned tires were so good at the end of a long run compared to stickers. At least with the Hoosiers now you can be sure to bolt on a new set and go faster (maybe). There were days I put brand new tires on the car and sucked and days I put tires with a little canvas showing on and went faster, WTF, effin toyos...ugh end rant
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Michelin surprised me with the have-your-cake-and-eat-it PSS so I'm ready to eat crow here, but comparing favorably to summer tires likely means these will be total crap in winter. Which is no different than any other all-season, but calling a tire all-season doesn't make it so. I own a set of the purportedly awesome all-season Conti DWS's and they're terribly disappointing in terms of dry grip compared to even a lackluster summer tire, and wet grip isn't much better. As for snow...please. They're round and hold air and don't turn into bricks below 35F, that's all I ask of them. Hopefully the AS/3 are a huge step up from the DWS... All of the tires on my street cars (truck, 335, and M3) are Michelins so I am definitely a fan of their products but I don't kid myself either
All-season tires are often jokingly called no-season tires, because they're the best at nothing.

If you were not impressed with the DWS in winter, you will not be impressed with the A/S3 in winter. Michelin is saying it is the same snow traction as the A/S Plus, which was less winter-oriented than the DWS. People with serious winters should have real winter tires.

You may find that the A/S3 is more satisfying in the summer, though it would not be as good of a summer tire as the PSS (naturally).
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