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      07-01-2013, 08:05 PM   #23
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Why buy one of the most used M3's? Get a nice one. If the money is that tight then get a nice Mustang.
because a mustang isn't an m3.
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      07-01-2013, 08:13 PM   #24
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If I were the owner from 1-200,000 miles I would be ok with it, but since I'd be the second or so owner, then no. 100k is too much. And the car won't run like it's at 30k miles either, it'll be showing its age.
False... My E90 has 105k and drives like my friends E90 with a quarter of the mileage...it comes down to how the car was driven and if the driver properly maintained and cared for the car...

I could put a sticker over the mileage and I bet you could not guess how many miles I have on it...
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      07-01-2013, 08:15 PM   #25
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sounds so ignorant
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      07-01-2013, 08:37 PM   #26
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False... My E90 has 105k and drives like my friends E90 with a quarter of the mileage...it comes down to how the car was driven and if the driver properly maintained and cared for the car...

I could put a sticker over the mileage and I bet you could not guess how many miles I have on it...
Ditto, and even fresher than stock with performance software upgrade.
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      07-01-2013, 09:09 PM   #27
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I don't understand this irrational fear of a modern car with 100k miles. These cars should easily double/triple that with proper maintenance, even if driven hard. 100k was a high milestone 30 years ago. Not so much today other than psychologically.

Answer to question: Yes, I would definitely consider it for the right price.
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      07-01-2013, 09:29 PM   #28
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I was at the gas station the other day and an older gentleman asked if my car was brand new. I said nope, shes got over 108,000 miles. As far as the statement about rock chips, I have paint protection and headlights protected. Nothing lasts very long if you don't take care of it. See attached proof of mileage.
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      07-01-2013, 09:34 PM   #29
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I was at the gas station the other day and an older gentleman asked if my car was brand new. I said nope, shes got over 108,000 miles. As far as the statement about rock chips, I have paint protection and headlights protected. Nothing lasts very long if you don't take care of it. See attached proof of mileage.
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      07-01-2013, 09:51 PM   #30
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False... My E90 has 105k and drives like my friends E90 with a quarter of the mileage...it comes down to how the car was driven and if the driver properly maintained and cared for the car...

I could put a sticker over the mileage and I bet you could not guess how many miles I have on it...
exactly bro
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      07-01-2013, 11:38 PM   #31
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If it is well maintained , then I will go for it
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      07-01-2013, 11:58 PM   #32
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My philosophy goes like this: for me, driving is a hobby. I love it. If I could, I'd take road trips half way across the country just for shits and giggles. Because I enjoy driving, I want to also enjoy what I'm driving. I've already decided that an E90 M3 sedan will be the eventual successor to my 335i, and if I find one that I like with the options that I want that just so happens to have 100,000 miles on the odometer, so be it. I look at gas, and maintenance, and repairs as necessary evils. Those costs keep me and my car on the road where I have the most fun. It might sound cliche, but we truly only live once. If I want to enjoy a high-performance German-made automobile, then by God I'm gonna do it, regardless of what the odometer tells me.
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      07-02-2013, 06:26 AM   #33
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The lifetime fill is bs. Its BMWs' free maintenance excuse, and bottom line the oils wear out over time from use. So a car with no fluid changes at 100k is a definite no. The oil in the diff and tranny are long since shot allowing excess wear and tear on these systems. The brake fluid and radiator coolant are also shot, and the moisture now inside both systems starts rust and corrosion.
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      07-02-2013, 07:05 AM   #34
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Assuming the fluids have been swapped at mike miller intervals and its a 6mt/no idrive, sure. I would replace all the bushings/bearings/ball joints to make it handle like new again, but that's not a big deal-- fun weekend project.
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      07-02-2013, 07:07 AM   #35
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      07-02-2013, 07:24 AM   #36
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Don't most extended warranties run out by then?!!!!! I'd NEVER own a BMW out of warranty. I bet the engine is done by 150k miles! Not to mention have you seen the price of regular maintenance? $200 oil change!!! $250 alignment! I can't imagine what its going to cost to replace the shocks. (I wouldn't consider any aftermarket) At least the fluids are lifetime so that's not a worry. Other thing to remember is that an 08 is a 5 year old car now. Thats too old for a daily driver to me.




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All seriousness, my 98 e36 m3 with 170k miles drove like new. Alot of this sounds like you guys would never own ANY car with over 100k miles. Here is a short list of the common misconceptions and mistakes of half the people on the board/who own newer bmw's in general.

- they won't blow up at 100k miles. Shit I saw a video of a guy who has close to 500k on his e29 m5.

-Maintenance is defiantly higher, but if you think its bad you've never owned a p-car. Labor is no worse than any other euro car. Unless of course you one of the dumb-asses that takes it to the stealership for everything.

-Yes part costs are high but this is still the current gen M3. In 10 years parts will have gone down to something reasonable

The chassis isn't going to fall apart when the odo crosses 150k or 200k or what ever other k you want to say. Sure you might have to rebuild things, replace things, fix things, etc. But that half the fun of an old bmw. If that last sentence sounds crazy to you then just keep on re-leasing a new one.

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I was so about to call you out. But luckily I finished reading the entire post haha.

If you don't know how to DIY, then don't. If you do, then absolutely. These cars are relatively easy to work on. It's a labor of love.
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      07-02-2013, 12:33 PM   #37
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Don't be afraid of miles. If a car is well cared for it will be fine. I have bought BMW's with 130,000 miles on them that drove like they have 40K on them, and I put over 50K on myself with no major issues.

Now, to assume an M3 with 100k miles has not been thrashed on... well that may be a bit foolish
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      07-02-2013, 12:54 PM   #38
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I don't want to stir the pot too much, but I will offer my own story -- bought a 2004 E46 M3 in what appeared to be great condition, from a dealer, with 59,000 miles. The car was not a track car for me, but a simple DD with limited to no thrashing. First the RTABs failed, then the rear carrier bushings and a leaking driveshaft seal. That work, at BMW, cost about $5,000 to have repaired due to the fact that the entire rear-end had to be dropped from the car to change the carrier bushings. Then about a year later, the A/C evaporator quit, since it is located beneath the dashboard, the entire dash had to be removed from the car to replace it... another $3,500 later I had cold air. Finally, the FCABs started to go, got the 'brake pedal shudder' that many on these forums have discussed. At this point the car had approximately 85,000 miles on it, and I wouldn't have sold it to my worst enemy.... so I traded in to my local BMW dealer -- Decided I will never buy another used car, ever, because of this. My maintenance costs now with the new E92? Practically $0, maybe $1000 or so a year for tires, but that's it.

Factor in the reduced ED price I paid/negotiated, and I have 0 'drive-off-the-lot' depreciation, in fact the price I paid for my loaded E92 is what you will find many 2011-2012 models selling for USED! To me it's a no brainer, if you think paying $30k for an E92 M3 is a 'bargain' and you want to buy it for that reason (not just to track it/etc...), you're really asking for trouble because if you could -just- afford $30k, you -can't- afford the $5-10k/year in maintenance that is coming.

As the other posters have said, proper maintenance can keep a car going forever... I just didn't see much talk about how much all that 'proper maintenance' was going to COST!
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I don't want to stir the pot too much, but I will offer my own story -- bought a 2004 E46 M3 in what appeared to be great condition, from a dealer, with 59,000 miles. The car was not a track car for me, but a simple DD with limited to no thrashing. First the RTABs failed, then the rear carrier bushings and a leaking driveshaft seal. That work, at BMW, cost about $5,000 to have repaired due to the fact that the entire rear-end had to be dropped from the car to change the carrier bushings. Then about a year later, the A/C evaporator quit, since it is located beneath the dashboard, the entire dash had to be removed from the car to replace it... another $3,500 later I had cold air. Finally, the FCABs started to go, got the 'brake pedal shudder' that many on these forums have discussed. At this point the car had approximately 85,000 miles on it, and I wouldn't have sold it to my worst enemy.... so I traded in to my local BMW dealer -- Decided I will never buy another used car, ever, because of this. My maintenance costs now with the new E92? Practically $0, maybe $1000 or so a year for tires, but that's it.

Factor in the reduced ED price I paid/negotiated, and I have 0 'drive-off-the-lot' depreciation, in fact the price I paid for my loaded E92 is what you will find many 2011-2012 models selling for USED! To me it's a no brainer, if you think paying $30k for an E92 M3 is a 'bargain' and you want to buy it for that reason (not just to track it/etc...), you're really asking for trouble because if you could -just- afford $30k, you -can't- afford the $5-10k/year in maintenance that is coming.

As the other posters have said, proper maintenance can keep a car going forever... I just didn't see much talk about how much all that 'proper maintenance' was going to COST!


it also depends who does it; I did the Rogue FCABs in my driveway in under an hour.
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friend has a e90 m3 sedan with 92,000miles, it's actually giving him quite a bit of headache lol. But ive also heard online that they are not as bad as many people think at high mileage. Maybe his is a lemon. not sure..
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Also do you want an automatic M3 or true 6 speed manual?

I don't see 100,000 miles as a lot these days. The fact that it has close to 100,000 miles makes it super cheap and a lot of folks would consider it at this point. If it has been properly maintained and has no issues then I would consider it.
Agreed. I bought mine at 70k and now i'm at 108k. Just maintain it. I deal with an independent shop that works with high end cars and I get parts from the dealer with my BMWCCA discount. Its also helps that the owner the shop has an E63 M6 and a Porsche GT3. I check to see what needs to be done at what mileage and I do it.
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I have owned a few BMWs. It seems as tho a number of suspension bushes go out between 65,000 and 100,000 miles. It is just life with a BMW......the cost of great handling. Would i buy a e92 M3 with 92K on it? Sure but it would get the rod bearing replaced soon, all suspension parts/bushes replaced........basically a track build. If I didn't already have a e46 M3 track/race car I would consider a high mileage E92 M3.
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Don't be afraid of miles. If a car is well cared for it will be fine. I have bought BMW's with 130,000 miles on them that drove like they have 40K on them, and I put over 50K on myself with no major issues.

Now, to assume an M3 with 100k miles has not been thrashed on... well that may be a bit foolish


That's the thing. I'd probably consider a lexus with 100k or something.. but M3, out of the question.
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I would buy it for a track car, but not a daily driving car. maintenance over the next few years will likely add up your bottom line to around the price of a lower mileage example.
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