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      07-01-2013, 04:47 PM   #1
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Would you buy an M3 with 100,000 miles?

This link is an example only of a car with almost 100,000 miles. Let's assume it has been maintained, updated, no major issues, no tracking or thrashing, etc..

Since before I bought my M3 I looked for anything I could find about the cars. One article quoted a BMW engineer predicting customers could expect 200 - 250 thousand without any transmission or engine problems, he based his comment on BMW reliability in general, but BMW engines that get awards year after year do so for a reason. Just saying.

Is 100k miles halfway? If you were selling your M3 with 100,000 miles on it, what would you tell potential buyers about longevity?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...49152476&Log=0

Pretty cheap for essentially, no, exactly the same thing you get new today for $80,000.
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This link is an example only of a car with almost 100,000 miles. Let's assume it has been maintained, updated, no major issues, no tracking or thrashing, etc..

Since before I bought my M3 I looked for anything I could find about the cars. One article quoted a BMW engineer predicting customers could expect 200 - 250 thousand without any transmission or engine problems, he based his comment on BMW reliability in general, but BMW engines that get awards year after year do so for a reason. Just saying.

Is 100k miles halfway? If you were selling your M3 with 100,000 miles on it, what would you tell potential buyers about longevity?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...49152476&Log=0
Also do you want an automatic M3 or true 6 speed manual?

I don't see 100,000 miles as a lot these days. The fact that it has close to 100,000 miles makes it super cheap and a lot of folks would consider it at this point. If it has been properly maintained and has no issues then I would consider it.
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If I were the owner from 1-200,000 miles I would be ok with it, but since I'd be the second or so owner, then no. 100k is too much. And the car won't run like it's at 30k miles either, it'll be showing its age.
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      07-01-2013, 05:00 PM   #4
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Is 100k miles halfway? If you were selling your M3 with 100,000 miles on it, what would you tell potential buyers about longevity?
I sure hope 100k is halfway (or less). Assuming regular maintenance, what's most likely the first thing to fail on these engines? Still very much "to be determined".

As far as telling potential buyers anything, I'd just be honest with how mechanically sound the car is at the point at which you're selling it. You can say that the engine seems robust and not prone to any issues that you're aware of, but none of us here is in the business of predicting the future (correct me if I'm wrong - and let me know when to sell it!).
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      07-01-2013, 05:00 PM   #5
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yes, buy a 6 speed , gut it, put a roll cage in it, do some suspension, and throw some r comps on it... boom. track car.


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Honestly i think 100k on any car is too much. I don't care how it was maintained.
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      07-01-2013, 05:12 PM   #7
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There are many things to consider other than just the mechanical condition of the engine/transmission.

Even with regular maintenance, the car will be cosmetically worn. Lots of rock chips, scratches and other things that might not be easy to replace. Have you seen the price for a new set of headlights? These aren't the $200 ebay special headlights on the M3. Also, other wear and tear items that people rarely replace such as shocks, bushings, various fluids (some "lifetime" fluids need to be replaced).

I guess if you are prepared to face the costs or DIY most of these things and you don't care about the cosmetic condition, it can be a great deal.

This isn't a Toyota or Honda.. those cars run 200-300k miles with zero problems. This is a high performance BMW which has much higher costs to maintain and repair!
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Honestly i think 100k on any car is too much. I don't care how it was maintained.


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[quote=Z K;14254574]There are many things to consider other than just the mechanical condition of the engine/transmission.

Even with regular maintenance, the car will be cosmetically worn. Lots of rock chips, scratches and other things that might not be easy to replace. Have you seen the price for a new set of headlights? These aren't the $200 ebay special headlights on the M3. Also, other wear and tear items that people rarely replace such as shocks, bushings, various fluids (some "lifetime" fluids need to be replaced).

I guess if you are prepared to face the costs or DIY most of these things and you don't care about the cosmetic condition, it can be a great deal.

This isn't a Toyota or Honda.. those cars run 200-300k miles with zero problems. This is a high performance BMW which has much higher costs to maintain and repair![/QUOTE]


is this your 1st BMW? Yes they aren't Japanese cars but w/ proper maintenance (being key) BMW are known to run 250k plus easy.
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Assuming fluids changed every 30k, proper brake and radiator flush, all other maintenance using old school Mike Miller plan then if the price was right, maybe.

Consider this: 40k miles, otherwise same car, $42k, add 50k miles in three years, what's it worth then versus $10k in savings versus value of the same car in 3 years with 150k miles.
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I don't think S65 motors would reach close to 200k. Specially if it was driven hard. I think it will at least have bearing issue soon after 100k.

Me personally yes I would consider this. But its only because I have access to tools and can rebuild my own motor. So I wont spend much on the rebuild. Im actually considering a rebuild with pistons and rods upgrade along with bearing upgrades soon.
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is this your 1st BMW? Yes they aren't Japanese cars but w/ proper maintenance (being key) BMW are known to run 250k plus easy.
I don't doubt they will run that far, but what you pay for maintenance is very expensive.

How much are shocks on an M3? Last I checked it was $600+ for each shock for an EDC equipped car. For a 10 year old Camry? $300 for all 4 including upper mounts, the entire strut assembly. The time to install? I did all 4 in 1 hour with a lift. Oil change? $15 for the oil and filter every 5k miles. On a BMW using synthetic oil...? Replacement tires? $250 for 4 tires on a Camry .. an M3? $1000.

The operating costs are not comparable at all! Plus more things break on the BMW vs a Japanese car. I've never had any electrical problem on a Japanese car. Sensors and random weird stuff break on BMW that are sometimes hard to explain.

Overall if you are looking for a reliable, low maintenance car to put a ton of miles on, I would not get a BMW or any German car.
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I don't doubt they will run that far, but what you pay for maintenance is very expensive.

How much are shocks on an M3? Last I checked it was $600+ for each shock for an EDC equipped car. For a 10 year old Camry? $300 for all 4 including upper mounts, the entire strut assembly. The time to install? I did all 4 in 1 hour with a lift. Oil change? $15 for the oil and filter every 5k miles. On a BMW using synthetic oil...? Replacement tires? $250 for 4 tires on a Camry .. an M3? $1000.

The operating costs are not comparable at all! Plus more things break on the BMW vs a Japanese car. I've never had any electrical problem on a Japanese car. Sensors and random weird stuff break on BMW that are sometimes hard to explain.

Overall if you are looking for a reliable, low maintenance car to put a ton of miles on, I would not get a BMW or any German car.


My e46 gave me no problems; both of my e90 have been great as well.

Later in life yes some eletrical gremlins may occur; hence why I have a non-nav no idrive car. No options= less to go wrong, and yes expensive maintenance is a given but as long as its performed these cars are no different than any other, just built better and should last just as long if not longer. I have seen several 300k e36 m3 and 200k e46 m3. The e9x chassis will get there it's just not that old yet.
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A lot depends on how those miles were driven. Was it a lot of easy highway miles in nice weather, or did it include a lot of cold starts, heavy slow traffic and winters?
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Some people may be underestimating these cars. I sold my e46 3 series several years back with ~130k on the clock. It still drove great - engine was strong and I had no mechanical issues.

So I have no doubt that the m3 can still go strong at 100k without issue. Would I buy one with a 100k on the clock, though? Nope. The m3 shines as a daily driver sports car. If I'm buying a 100k used car, it's for use as a beater/toy- something way more impractical.
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My e46 gave me no problems; both of my e90 have been great as well.

Later in life yes some electrical gremlins may occur; hence why I have a non-nav no idrive car. No options= less to go wrong, and yes expensive maintenance is a given but as long as its performed these cars are no different than any other, just built better and should last just as long if not longer. I have seen several 300k e36 m3 and 200k e46 m3. The e9x chassis will get there it's just not that old yet.
Agree completely. ALL machines require maintenance. Most items get replaced eventually. Water pump, belts, oil pump, whatever. More than a Toyota to maintain, ok. I don't want to drive a Toyota. I had 290,000 kilometres on my 86 E30 325e.
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You're right. But i just couldn't help but think within that 100k period that the car was beat, severely, at some point in time.
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Don't most extended warranties run out by then?!!!!! I'd NEVER own a BMW out of warranty. I bet the engine is done by 150k miles! Not to mention have you seen the price of regular maintenance? $200 oil change!!! $250 alignment! I can't imagine what its going to cost to replace the shocks. (I wouldn't consider any aftermarket) At least the fluids are lifetime so that's not a worry. Other thing to remember is that an 08 is a 5 year old car now. Thats too old for a daily driver to me.




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All seriousness, my 98 e36 m3 with 170k miles drove like new. Alot of this sounds like you guys would never own ANY car with over 100k miles. Here is a short list of the common misconceptions and mistakes of half the people on the board/who own newer bmw's in general.

- they won't blow up at 100k miles. Shit I saw a video of a guy who has close to 500k on his e29 m5.

-Maintenance is defiantly higher, but if you think its bad you've never owned a p-car. Labor is no worse than any other euro car. Unless of course you one of the dumb-asses that takes it to the stealership for everything.

-Yes part costs are high but this is still the current gen M3. In 10 years parts will have gone down to something reasonable

The chassis isn't going to fall apart when the odo crosses 150k or 200k or what ever other k you want to say. Sure you might have to rebuild things, replace things, fix things, etc. But that half the fun of an old bmw. If that last sentence sounds crazy to you then just keep on re-leasing a new one.

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If I were the owner from 1-200,000 miles I would be ok with it, but since I'd be the second or so owner, then no. 100k is too much. And the car won't run like it's at 30k miles either, it'll be showing its age.
Dude nah mine is still running legit since 2008. If the person has taken care of it then it should by the ok hopefully
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Don't most extended warranties run out by then?!!!!! I'd NEVER own a BMW out of warranty. I bet the engine is done by 150k miles! Not to mention have you seen the price of regular maintenance? $200 oil change!!! $250 alignment! I can't imagine what its going to cost to replace the shocks. (I wouldn't consider any aftermarket) At least the fluids are lifetime so that's not a worry. Other thing to remember is that an 08 is a 5 year old car now. Thats too old for a daily driver to me.




/sarcasm

All seriousness, my 98 e36 m3 with 170k miles drove like new. Alot of this sounds like you guys would never own ANY car with over 100k miles. Here is a short list of the common misconceptions and mistakes of half the people on the board/who own newer bmw's in general.

- they won't blow up at 100k miles. Shit I saw a video of a guy who has close to 500k on his e29 m5.

-Maintenance is defiantly higher, but if you think its bad you've never owned a p-car. Labor is no worse than any other euro car. Unless of course you one of the dumb-asses that takes it to the stealership for everything.

-Yes part costs are high but this is still the current gen M3. In 10 years parts will have gone down to something reasonable

The chassis isn't going to fall about when the odo crosses 150k or 200k or what ever other k you want to say. Sure you might have to rebuild things, replace things, fix things, etc. But that half the fun of an old bmw. If that last sentence sounds crazy to you then just keep on re-leasing a new one.

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At first I was like

then I kept reading and was like

people here must throw cars out at 100K
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At first I was like

then I kept reading and was like

people here must throw cars out at 100K
I swear to god I don't get where people get some of their preconceived car notions. My mothers the worst on the planet. She looked like she just saw the second coming when my 98 m3 was in better shape than her 07 infiniti
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Why buy one of the most used M3's? Get a nice one. If the money is that tight then get a nice Mustang.
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