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      04-29-2013, 02:02 PM   #67
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I think you missed my point. I meant why buy any M or AMG sedan compared the more entry level 5 series or E class, not compared to the older AMG E class. You can get the same luxury interior while saving a lot of money. My point is why does anyone need 500-600 hp just to drive to the store and buy groceries? Even race cars don't come with that much power. For a road car, 300-400 hp is really all you need. Anymore than that is overkill.
Ohferchrissake.

You drive an M3, and are bitching about overkill? Why didn't you buy a 328i?

And don't give me that crap about track days. With the same things you need on an M3 (sneakers and pads), you can have just as much fun in a 328i on track.

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I think you missed my point. I meant why buy any M or AMG sedan compared the more entry level 5 series or E class, not compared to the older AMG E class. You can get the same luxury interior while saving a lot of money. My point is why does anyone need 500-600 hp just to drive to the store and buy groceries? Even race cars don't come with that much power. For a road car, 300-400 hp is really all you need. Anymore than that is overkill.
I get used to car with over 400hp thats why i owned C63 and now get the M3. I feel C350/328i is not enough so I need the most powerful one in the C/3 series. I dont need top speed but acceleration.
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I didn't buy an M3 cause I wanted the "fastest car".

M3 is superior in every way IMO. Looks, handling, feel, did I mention, handling??

I would never drive a POS benz, they are garbage. garbage..



why is a benz garbage? The same could be said for the 335, which is in fact, a BMW.

I know plenty of people who wouldn't touch a BMW.
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I like it. I like that MB is producing AWD AMGs. It's a very cool option for folks who want a powerful, year-round, driver in places that get crappy weather. Yes I understand that all-season tires suck, and yes I understand that you can put snows on a RWD car and do OK, but one thing I do miss about my Evo X MR, 335xi and GTR is that "all weather" capability.

I don't like the modern MB design aesthetic, unfortunately. Can't deny that they are becoming the king of the "classy muscle car" though, and in the hands of a *really competent* driver, they hang at the track as well (stress on really competent... they're a handful on the track and the #s don't tell you that the way actually driving one does. Thats why bench racing is pointless)
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I'd still take an M3 all day long
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why is a benz garbage? The same could be said for the 335, which is in fact, a BMW.

I know plenty of people who wouldn't touch a BMW.
garbage....
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Second that. M3 is fast where it counts.
i couldn't put it any better. Agreed
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I just saw one of these LCI E63's. Didn't like the boy-racer design elements such as the whole rear bumper. It's just a shame that MB turned the classy E-Class into a "Nice Hyundai" per my associate. It did sound mean though and just look at power levels tuners reach with the M157 engine. Pretty sick. With AWD, the E63 will be a low 10 second car easily.

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      05-30-2013, 01:46 PM   #75
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787 HP...... ?!?! Jesus
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787 HP...... ?!?! Jesus
Tell me about it. And look how it loses power in top end? It's running out of breath. Give it some bigger snails that can hold power and this beast of motor will be in mid 800whp range.
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The Mercedes E63 AMG-S-4Matic BI Turbo( AWD !!! ) yes...all wheel drive !
0-60.....3.4 sec. !
What do you think guys of our enemy, after seen these video's ?

Car still looks like shit.
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garbage....



I see how very intelligent you are...saying the same thing again.

Carry on, fanboy.
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Ohferchrissake.

You drive an M3, and are bitching about overkill? Why didn't you buy a 328i?

And don't give me that crap about track days. With the same things you need on an M3 (sneakers and pads), you can have just as much fun in a 328i on track.

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Drive a F30 328i no line. Go drive a E90 M3. Can you tell me the difference?

Now, go drive a M5, and go back to the M3. Is there a difference?

yes. One of the cars is utterly performance based, one is built for meager comfort with little power, and the other is performance blended with luxury.

Jesus fuck. Comparing the 328i to the M3 is like comparing your comcast Chevy van to a Corvette.
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0-60 in 3.2 sec is insane.
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      06-05-2013, 01:44 AM   #81
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Drive a F30 328i no line. Go drive a E90 M3. Can you tell me the difference?

Now, go drive a M5, and go back to the M3. Is there a difference?

yes. One of the cars is utterly performance based, one is built for meager comfort with little power, and the other is performance blended with luxury.

Jesus fuck. Comparing the 328i to the M3 is like comparing your comcast Chevy van to a Corvette.
I stand by my statement. You absolutely can have just as much fun in a 328i with sneakers and pads as you can in an M3 with sneakers and pads. Of course, you won't be getting through a lap nearly as quickly, but who cares.

And by the way, if you know how to go fast, the M3 is an understeering pig on track. Maybe the best all-around compromise car for the street ever built, but on track, not so much.

If you disagree with this, either you don't have track experience in the car or you don't have enough track experience to actually go fast.

Bruce

PS - The most fun track car I ever ran was my '98 Neon. Was it as fast as the '95 M3 I ran back then? Hardly. But one track day in my Neon (bought originally as a Winter car in New England) and I never ran the M3 again.
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LOL, would you want to know how you can take them down? Take it to the track not on the street. Would you want to know how to beat a Bugatti in the quarter mile drag on the track? Go built a 1300HP GTR at 32 PSI that is capable of handling up to 38 PSI. You know how many C63 performed when pitted against M owner on the track. You will never see one. I was once in the mentality that I can mod and push my M to the max to take on all the cars in the world. This is the mentality that rakes in the money for MBUSA. Ever wonder why MBUSA always dance around the idea on releasing new AMG C, E, or the CLK just slightly more powerful than the M? So those who does not appreciate the true concepts behind the M will either go out and buy a AMG in their respective class or they justify an ass whooping by bitching on the forum.

Go out and enjoy all the technology the M has to offer. Who gives a sht if a C63 can smoke you on a straight a way. Love your M the way it should be driven.. Hammer, please don't hurt em.

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I'm not much of a Mercedes fan, but I love AWD and BMW has nothing that even compares to the new AMG, that thing is amazing to say the least. Thank god BMW is making a twin turbo M3, I've always wondered why they don't make a AWD M3.
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You know how many C63 performed when pitted against M owner on the track. You will never see one. I was once in the mentality that I can mod and push my M to the max to take on all the cars in the world. This is the mentality that rakes in the money for MBUSA. Ever wonder why MBUSA always dance around the idea on releasing new AMG C, E, or the CLK just slightly more powerful than the M? So those who does not appreciate the true concepts behind the M will either go out and buy a AMG in their respective class or they justify an ass whooping by bitching on the forum.

Go out and enjoy all the technology the M has to offer. Who gives a sht if a C63 can smoke you on a straight a way. Love your M the way it should be driven.. Hammer, please don't hurt em.
I just saw a C63 on the track Friday hosted by SpeedDistrict. yes there were more M's because SpeedDistrict is owed by member tightie who has a e92 M3. By the way the C was kicking ass doing 1:34's with a relatively novice driver. I think only one of the 10 M's there that day could match it (member Dogbone).

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All of the new vehicles coming out are getting better and faster. When a new Corvette, Porsche, Audi, BMW or Mercedes are produced they all get faster and better from a numbers perspective. Porsche will not make a GT3 that will perform to a lesser extent than the previous generation. Sure, industry and government regulations will shape and mold how the vehicles go about producing their performance, but change will happen. AMG going AWD, vehicles with 500 to 600 hp stock, etc. are just examples of where things are headed, otherwise it is difficult to compete or win. Every manufacturer just has to step up to the plate in whatever way they think they can succeed at. None of this takes away from the bond that owners have with their current cars and why they will like them more than other brands or future products, but it is what it is.
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Yeah, the new Bugatti goes from 0-60 in 1.8 sec.... Cars are getting extremely quick.
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Second that. M3 is fast where it counts.
Third that! I never see Benz's at HPDE's at all. Lots of BMW's and Lotus cars though.
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Damn. AMG tends to put out some serious power. But not really well balanced cars.
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