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      04-18-2013, 02:41 PM   #1
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cost of installing a KW S/O kit?

Hey guys....

I just order the KW S/O kit... I was going to call a few shops to get an idea of the cost of getting this installed.

Can you give me an idea of roughly what range it should be in?
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Based on my own install, a shop that has BMW experience will probably do the job in 4 hours or so.

Based on varying hourly rates, you are probably looking at $300-$500.
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Should be pretty similar to a spring install. I had mine done for ~$400, but yeah it depends on labor rates. I called 3 different shops before I got a good price.
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EAS installed my kit for $1000 OTD (kit included).
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Very similar to a spring install with exception of pressing out the front spring perches and height adjustment.

Should be no more than 3-4 hours.
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Hey guys....

I just order the KW S/O kit... I was going to call a few shops to get an idea of the cost of getting this installed.

Can you give me an idea of roughly what range it should be in?
I was charged 5 hours labor for my springs. Can't imagine a s/o would take much longer. Depends on your shop rates - $300-500 is a good guess.
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I was charged 5 hours labor for my springs. Can't imagine a s/o would take much longer. Depends on your shop rates - $300-500 is a good guess.
5 hours just for springs! That's nuts.
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With sleeve over... I'd take advantage of the height adjustment and get it corner balanced as well getting getting aligned
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as always thanks for the info guys!... Im going to call a few shops today.
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A local shop who is a Sponsor here is telling me $760 to install and do an aligment. Thats more than what I paid for the kit.

it seems high to me... What you guys think??
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      04-24-2013, 01:42 PM   #13
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That does seem high. Keep shopping around and good luck!
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That depends if you want the ride height set properly, or just close enough. Alignment is mandatory on top of the labor to install the kit. You'll get what you pay for IMO
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3-4 hours is fair. Should be no more than $350 IMO, then another $100 ish on alignment.
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      04-29-2013, 12:02 PM   #16
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A local shop who is a Sponsor here is telling me $760 to install and do an aligment. Thats more than what I paid for the kit.

it seems high to me... What you guys think??
the reason I think they (I know who youre referring to) charge that much is because theyre main clientele drive Porsches and Lambos...not BMW's. It's really not a hard job, like these guys are saying 3-4 hours.
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Hey guys, we are the shop in Charlotte that quoted 5-6 hours for this job. There are certainly a number of opinions and they are all appreciated but we would like to clarify a bit of our installation process.

It all begins with us taking 15-30 minutes to check-in a car prior to getting started. The check-in process starts with us photographing the car from a number of different angles for "Before" reference. This way, the client can see what the height (in this case) of their car was and then once we shoot after pictures, the results.

In addition, we will test-drive the car on a 2.5 mile loop around the shop that allow us to feel/hear the car and make sure that everything is as it should be prior to starting the job. The loop consists of a number of sweeping turns and road undulations so that the OEM suspension can be "heard".

Following the check-in procedure, the car is pulled in and put on the lift. We have custom built lifts that were designed with extremely low arms (3" floor height vs. standard 5+" floor height) so that the tech doesn't have to put boards under the wheels to get the cars high enough. In addition, most lifts have the "flip-up" pads and ours have special puck pads that prevent damage to the under-panels. We realize that this doesn't apply to the labor times but we feel its a necessary point to understand the level of care that goes into simply getting the car in the shop and on the lift.

So back to the labor times question. Once the car is in the air, everything is removed with hand tools to prevent damage from air guns. So the wheels are removed by hand so that the wheels are not marred by the high-speed spinning of the air-tool. There are sleeved sockets available but on most delicately painted wheel surfaces, the brake dust that's in the bolt holes can severely scratch a wheel's finish. Even the under-paneling is removed with hand tools. Many of the bolts under the car are torqued to a specification and and air tool simply backs these out. With a hand tool, our techs can see if there is an issue with the bolt if its seized or even cross-threaded from a previous install. If that's the case, it can be corrected before ruining the internal threads on some chassis components. Using an impact gun will certainly "thread" it back in because they proudly "supply" 700lb/ft! Its not as big a deal on parts that are being replaced, such as a suspension nut and bolt, but we just do it this way for sake of habit.

Once the parts are replaced, the bolts are inserted and the nuts are threaded on by hand and tightened with hand-tools. This insures that the threads are true and will not be cross-threaded. The tech will then get a list of torque specs from the OEM parts program and hand-torque each bolt using a digital torque wrench, which has an audible when the desired number is achieved. Again, techs using air tools work by "feel" but if you ask most race teams, there aren't any air-guns being used, except during pit stops of course After everything is torqued, the tech puts a paint mark on the suspension components.

After the upgrades are completed, the tech drives the car around the same 2.5 mile loop to make sure that the car is performing as desired. Once it passes this road test, the car is ready for an alignment.

The alignment machine we use is the new Hunter Hawk Eye Elite. The two major benefits of this machine are the alignment heads that do not clamp to the face of the wheel at all and the steering angle reset process integrated into the machine. Here is a link to an overview of the machine to give you an idea of how we invested into this advanced product: Hawk Aye Elite Machine

Once the alignment is complete, we supply a full color printout of the before and after. Obviously the before is irrelevant since we had the suspension out but its our standard procedure. We also file this on our sever and can email it any time for the client. Most shops don't provide a sheet, let alone keep them on file.

Following the alignment, the car is driven again to make sure that the steering wheel is straight and that there isn't any pulling above and beyond the normal road-crown and surface tracking.

We provide this level of precise care regardless of our clients vehicles. We share our project gallery on our website and its dominated by Audi, BMW, VW and Porsche. Check out the latest projects and you'll see a nice E92 M3 with Dinan goodies from last week: Vehicle Gallery It would be great to see more Lambo's but you may have us mixed up with another shop that builds turbo-kits for those cars primarily and doesn't do aftermarket upgrade installs.

We dedicate a large portion of our install to quality control and making sure that its done right the first time. It is true that the physical job with air-tools may take 3-4 hours but there is a lot of additional "labor" that goes into our installations. We have this written on our site as well: Installation Philosophy

There are certainly a lot of options for BMW enthusiasts that range from someones garage at night while drinking beer, to a dealer tech doing it on the "side" after hours, to a service/repair shop that "knows" those cars. We feel that our philosophy applies to the aftermarket BMW enthusiasts the best and know its not for everyone. We appreciate the opportunity to provide our services and hope that this can shed a little light on why we are asking the amounts/times we do.
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I'm assuming it's the same amount of work on a m3 as it is on a 335i, but I had my full kw v2s installed on my old 11 e92 335i for $440(4 hours of labor) excluding alignment. Would imagine the sleevover kit/springs would be half that
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A local shop who is a Sponsor here is telling me $760 to install and do an aligment. Thats more than what I paid for the kit.

it seems high to me... What you guys think??

Keep looking...that's way too high. Regardless of their "nicely padded" explanation.
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Price of the kit with installation should be around the neighborhood of $1000-$1300 all together. I had mine done at a reputable shop that does a ton of these for the lower end of that price range.
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i thought canadian labour were high.....guess not.
I Paid 250 for Install Sleeve kit.
60 to do alignment at a very recommended place on 3 series forum.
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should not be over 400.
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