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      04-04-2013, 11:35 AM   #199
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The M3 isn't the platform for that game. It's a small-displacement, high revving, fairly heavy yet balanced RWD car. Those that push their M3's know its place...and it's not at the top of the acceleration game...but it can be at the top of the track game when modded properly (i.e. keeping engine fairly stock and focusing on suspension, brakes, weight reduction, chassis stiffening, etc).

The best of the BMW's is (in terms of acceleration) are the turbo e30's. I'd like to see a 1,500 AWHP e30 325xi weighing 2,200 lbs.
e30 with 1500 hp would be fun to see indeed.

Per your comments of "modded properly" and "engine fairly stock" for tracking, would you say it's not a good idea or not "optimal" to track a M3 w/ a supercharger in general?
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e30 with 1500 hp would be fun to see indeed.

Per your comments of "modded properly" and "engine fairly stock" for tracking, would you say it's not a good idea or not "optimal" to track a M3 w/ a supercharger in general?
Very good question. I've had a lot of success in maintaining oil temps below 210 even when doing 15-16 lap sessions, but others haven't with the exact same kit. It's not optimal because the heat exchanger (for the air to water intercooler) blocks the stock radiator/oil coolers.

With the linear power delivery of the ESS kit, the car still behaves like an N/A motor and doesn't upset the car when accelerating hard out of corners (like a turbo car could).

On a high speed track, I think it's fantastic...but on a slow speed tight track, well...that's why I have an STi.
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Very good question. I've had a lot of success in maintaining oil temps below 210 even when doing 15-16 lap sessions, but others haven't with the exact same kit. It's not optimal because the heat exchanger (for the air to water intercooler) blocks the stock radiator/oil coolers.

With the linear power delivery of the ESS kit, the car still behaves like an N/A motor and doesn't upset the car when accelerating hard out of corners (like a turbo car could).

On a high speed track, I think it's fantastic...but on a slow speed tight track, well...that's why I have an STi.
Good to know, did not take the location of intercooler into consideration - just thought VT-2s with an intercooler would be the way to go for a track application. I guess in some ways the VT-1 550 kit then could work fine since it wouldn't block the stock cooling systems.
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Good to know, did not take the location of intercooler into consideration - just thought VT-2s with an intercooler would be the way to go for a track application. I guess in some ways the VT-1 550 kit then could work fine since it wouldn't block the stock cooling systems.
This kit is way worse at the track actually because with the lack of a heat exchanger. When the motor/engine bay heats up at the track, the tune will have to pull timing. At a certain point, it pulls so much timing that it is likely no faster than a bolt-on NA M3. So after say lap 3, you lost 100 HP yet still have the 50 pounds added to teh front of the car. A dedicated water/meth injection system could restore the lost ~ 100 HP however.
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was completley overwhelmed at first. 8 second steet cars EVERYWHERE

and the lambos dont even run the drag event
Yeah, isn't that AWESOME? *lol* One of the reasons I like going....you never know who/what you're gonna see that'll blow your doors off. Insane. And the epicness of the quality of the cars....the vids speak for themselves. Now about that ride.....
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The best of the BMW's is (in terms of acceleration) are the turbo e30's. I'd like to see a 1,500 AWHP e30 325xi weighing 2,200 lbs.
HPF has some 1K+ RWHP E46s that are pretty quick....
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Yeah, isn't that AWESOME? *lol* One of the reasons I like going....you never know who/what you're gonna see that'll blow your doors off. Insane. And the epicness of the quality of the cars....the vids speak for themselves. Now about that ride.....
i got you next year.

ran the wannagofast 1/2 mile event saturday and went 176

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haha, true true. But in this M3 forum, very little exists beyond BMW land...

In the events you've seen, no S/C M3s trying to shut down those other cars? I've seen them do pretty well in other informal drag videos it seems. Curious on what you've seen them do in those drag events you mentioned.
You know, maybe its a lack of focus on bmws at these events.
The videos shown are indicative of what ive personally seen.
WHen one hears, "Supra" "Viper" etc at these events and then you here BMW...you dont really pay too much attention (at least from my perspective and interestes) because of the types of consistent finalists over the years.
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You know, maybe its a lack of focus on bmws at these events.
The videos shown are indicative of what ive personally seen.
WHen one hears, "Supra" "Viper" etc at these events and then you here BMW...you dont really pay too much attention (at least from my perspective and interestes) because of the types of consistent finalists over the years.
there was a 135 there this weekend running SUPER strong

it put a hurtin on quite a few cars
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there was a 135 there this weekend running SUPER strong

it put a hurtin on quite a few cars
Thats awesome!

I heard UGR was there, but they only do highway pulls.
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Thought this might be a good update to this thread.

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Thought this might be a good update to this thread.

My least favorite reviewers to be completely honest. I'll take those Everyday Drivers testers over these guys any day. But thanks for sharing still
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More for comic relief Cant take everything serious
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watched the video, regardless of the cars, the reviewers did a horrible job and it was painful to watch. haha.
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I now know why I'm undefeated racing GT-R's in stoplight races.
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I now know why I'm undefeated racing GT-R's in stoplight races.
Regardless of this thread post, I'm just curious, with the 625 VT-2, is it a very clear gap between the new GT-R (550hp) and your M3 0-100 and 0-150? How many car lengths would you say?
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Regardless of this thread post, I'm just curious, with the 625 VT-2, is it a very clear gap between the new GT-R (550hp) and your M3 0-100 and 0-150? How many car lengths would you say?
What's up.

Actually I've only raced GT-R's in stoplight races with my 335 and STi. Now I know why I beat them - without launch control there's a lot of lag. I'm sure at the drag strip results would have been very different given that the GT-R's would have the time to set up LC.

My modded 335 would clock 0-60 in real life stoplight conditions of generally between 3.5 and 3.8 seconds on the VBox. My modded STi does it in 3.9 to 4.2 seconds.

I've only raced one stock 545 HP 2013 GT-R and that was at the Ft. Shafter Airstrip event back in March. We did a roll-on at around 40 mph and I put like 4 cars on him even with my windows rolled down (it was hot lol). For the roll-on's I'm pretty evenly matched with the FBO race gas GT-Rs, but the e85 GT-Rs will beat me.

Sorry I haven't done any 0-XXX data with my M3 yet.
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I now know why I'm undefeated racing GT-R's in stoplight races.
Ill place $500 on it if you're willing to meet up and let me film it on a gopro. Dead stop. I make the same WHP and my GT-R is heavier Ill be at the next C&C and apparently youre not far from there You shouldn't lose . PM me ill text you my number.
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Ill place $500 on it if you're willing to meet up and let me film it on a gopro. I make the same WHP and my GT-R is heavier Ill be at the next C&C and apparently youre not far from there You shouldn't lose . PM me ill text you my number.
Hey what's up. You have some awesome cars. As i said in my post above, it was with my 335 and STi, not my M3. And those were likely stock GT-Rs...not modded ones like yours.

I can't get the M3 to hook up at all from a stop (so I'd lose badly to you) but that's not how I built/use it anyway. If I want to build something that will haul-ass from a dead stop, I can further mod my STi...but that's also being set up as a road-race car. Drag racing just isn't my thing.

Never been to a C&C but I'd like to go one day. I'm usually in the water in the am on the weekends.
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Your M3 should definitely pull a stock 2013 GT-R if you are racing from about 70mph+. Youre making at least 80 more HP and a lighter car. Dead stop I've hooked a 0-60 in the GT-R at 2.8 and managed a 60 foot time of 1.4 Mine is putting down the same power as your M3 so would be curious to see how it does from a roll. I would said pretty much dead even. As far as road courses go, Ive got a track tune that is more conservative.
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Actually I've only raced GT-R's in stoplight races with my 335 and STi. Now I know why I beat them - without launch control there's a lot of lag. I'm sure at the drag strip results would have been very different given that the GT-R's would have the time to set up LC.

My modded 335 would clock 0-60 in real life stoplight conditions of generally between 3.5 and 3.8 seconds on the VBox. My modded STi does it in 3.9 to 4.2 seconds.

I've only raced one stock 545 HP 2013 GT-R and that was at the Ft. Shafter Airstrip event back in March. We did a roll-on at around 40 mph and I put like 4 cars on him even with my windows rolled down (it was hot lol). For the roll-on's I'm pretty evenly matched with the FBO race gas GT-Rs, but the e85 GT-Rs will beat me.

Sorry I haven't done any 0-XXX data with my M3 yet.
Cool, and then sounds like if someone spent $95k - $100k on a sports car, you could get more out of the E92 M3 street performance wise vs. a stock 2013 GT-R. I'm sure the dead start performance would go to the GT-R (since it's hard to put it down 0-60 in S/Ced E92 M3), but that's ok, all things considered.
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Your M3 should definitely pull a stock 2013 GT-R if you are racing from about 70mph+. Youre making at least 80 more HP and a lighter car. Dead stop I've hooked a 0-60 in the GT-R at 2.8 and managed a 60 foot time of 1.4 Mine is putting down the same power as your M3 so would be curious to see how it does from a roll. I would said pretty much dead even. As far as road courses go, Ive got a track tune that is more conservative.
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Cool, and then sounds like if someone spent $95k - $100k on a sports car, you could get more out of the E92 M3 street performance wise vs. a stock 2013 GT-R. I'm sure the dead start performance would go to the GT-R (since it's hard to put it down 0-60 in S/Ced E92 M3), but that's ok, all things considered.
From a dead stop, 1SICKM (who has about the same power as me - maybe 10 more with meth) did a 2.8 second 0-60 run using drag radials when he ran his 10.6 at 132 a couple months ago in his ESS VT2 625 DCT M3.

So at the strip with the correct tires and a sticky surface, an S/C M3 may be able to compete when making similar HP, but otherwise there's no way a RWD car can compete from a stop against an all wheel drive car making that much power.
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