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      03-19-2013, 04:07 PM   #45
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If you want a numb car buy any of the two. If you want something more than a blunt instrument get a GT-3 RS.
When I hear people talk about wanting 700+ hp, generally they are talking about being fast stoplight to stoplight and not on the track. I think a GT3 RS would be a waste.
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When I hear people talk about wanting 700+ hp, generally they are talking about being fast stoplight to stoplight and not on the track. I think a GT3 RS would be a waste.
Actually...fast on the airstrip I don't mess around on public roads.

700+ AWHP would certainly be a handful at the track...but it will see a lot of track time.

I like a car that can perform well in a multiple-discipline environment. Not a car that is designed for a singluar purpose. So you are correct...I am not interested in a GT3.
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How about become debt free and not owe on anything and have no credit card debt and actually own a $500k home outright with goodies?

LOL Sorry just get tired of "what should I get next" when most are living with folks at home and going to school while working at In and Out Burger.

If you can afford it then go for it but I wouldn't go in more debt if you don't have to.
Actually, this is a great time to be piling up debt that you can afford. By that I mean that borrowing money is so cheap and the stock market has been doing quite well for the past year and a half. I financed $50k of my M3 purchase at 1.9%. Total finance charge was about $1000. I took that $50k and invested it. Today, 21 months later, the value of that money is $64k. Should have financed more!!!!
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Actually, this is a great time to be piling up debt that you can afford. By that I mean that borrowing money is so cheap and the stock market has been doing quite well for the past year and a half. I financed $50k of my M3 purchase at 1.9%. Total finance charge was about $1000. I took that $50k and invested it. Today, 21 months later, the value of that money is $64k. Should have financed more!!!!
^this When money is practically free don't use your cash, use other people's money. Just make sure you have an exit strategy. You can borrow money from PenFed right now at 1.49% for 5 years on a car loan with no finance charge. That is practically free!
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Few years ago I had same problem 997 turbo or r8 v8, whent for track day to test both. Decision was easy 997 Turbo because of power and handling. In 2011 I thought that is time for change and again I could chose 997 Turbo S or R8 V10, and again porsche won thsi competition. Love that car it's proper sport ride, R8 for me is a bit gallardo wannabe...
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^this When money is practically free don't use your cash, use other people's money. Just make sure you have an exit strategy. You can borrow money from PenFed right now at 1.49% for 5 years on a car loan with no finance charge. That is practically free!
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Actually...fast on the airstrip I don't mess around on public roads.

700+ AWHP would certainly be a handful at the track...but it will see a lot of track time.

I like a car that can perform well in a multiple-discipline environment. Not a car that is designed for a singluar purpose. So you are correct...I am not interested in a GT3.
Clearly the styling of the r8 is more eye popping and unique than the 997 tt, but man, for a reliable track beast and straight line king, the mezger engined 997 tt is perfect

Damn I'm jealous already
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^this When money is practically free don't use your cash, use other people's money. Just make sure you have an exit strategy. You can borrow money from PenFed right now at 1.49% for 5 years on a car loan with no finance charge. That is practically free!
One more post and your at 1,000 Giggs
Really? Ive been posting from my iphone app so i cant see the amount of posts i have
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^this When money is practically free don't use your cash, use other people's money. Just make sure you have an exit strategy. You can borrow money from PenFed right now at 1.49% for 5 years on a car loan with no finance charge. That is practically free!
Sorry don't mean to thread jack, but...

Here are some interesting facts:

At todays borrowing rates of 1.49%, lenders are actually paying you to borrow. The annual inflation rate has been 2%, but the actual rate is much higher (4%+) since BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) has been altering the basket of goods that comprises the index...to keep the calculated inflation rate low, which helps keep social security payments low...

So in general terms, borrowing at 1.49% when the dollar is losing 4%+ value is really paying you roughly 2.5% percent. You financial experts, these are just general numbers.

If you dont believe the inflation numbers look at historical Oreo Cookies pricing below:

[1990] 2.69/lb $0.168c/oz
[1991] 2.39/lb $0.149c/oz
[1992] 1.99/20 oz $0.099c/oz
[1993] 1.19/5.8 oz $0.205c/oz
[1994] 2.49/20 oz $0.125c/oz
[1995] 1.09/4.8 oz $0.227c/oz
[2004] 2.99/lb $0.187c/oz
[2008] 4.29/18 oz $0.238c/oz 27% increase from 2004
[2012] 4.59/15.5 oz $0.296c/oz 24% increase from 2008
[2013] 4.59/14.3 oz $0.321c/oz 8% increase from 2012

However, to take advantage of the rates and turn a profit, you will need to buy something that beats inflation...hard assets or stocks...

I am taking advantage of all the 1% loans right now for any reason.
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I love the direction of this thread. I have one of the largest CPA firms in CA with ~ 10,000 tax clients. All high net worth individuals and businesses. I will direct them here for $$ advice
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Damn I should have done a screen print. You're now at 1,001.
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Damn I should have done a screen print. You're now at 1,001.
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I love the direction of this thread. I have one of the largest CPA firms in CA with ~ 10,000 tax clients. All high net worth individuals and businesses. I will direct them here for $$ advice
Haha that was a freebie. Next tidbit will cost you...jk

Again, Sorry didnt mean to hijack the thread.
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haha no worries. not that you need it but drop in anytime for some tax/structuring advice - i see you are also in OC
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So what did you decided on?
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Well, I still have the M3 and will keep it for two more years. It's under the knife as we speak with a little power upgrade that should be done by the end of this week

Heavily leaning toward the R8 V10 with the UGR TT kit once the M3 is gone.
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Heavily leaning toward the R8 V10 with the UGR TT kit once the M3 is gone.
I started to look into the same car. I can't believe the price is not bad for a used one.
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I started to look into the same car. I can't believe the price is not bad for a used one.
Awesome! Are you looking at the V8 or the V10? I couldn't believe the $80K price difference for a new one ($110K for a new V8 and $190K for a new v10)! What prices are you seeing for used ones right now?
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I'm looking at v10. There is a local one here for 129k used. I believe it's a 09?
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