Liqui Moly 10W60 Oil

[Z K]

Originally Posted by NELSON.MLGB

I only use Moly oil for my M, Redline to me is a cheap brand. German oil for German which makes the most sense. In terms of oil type, 10w60 is the best and the only oil being used for S65. Sure you can run 4w50 or watever cheap oil, but the life of ur S65 will be shorter than those who use the right one. Moe, I suggest dat you use the Castrol one for now since you are still under warranty, cuz if anything happen to ur motor, Calgary BMW will blame on the Moly oil that you used for your engine.

I don't see Redline as a cheap brand. They have been building synthetic oils for racing and street use for a long time. The chemists that work there are car enthusiasts and have a drive to make the best products for their cars. Also, their oil costs more than most oil that you normally buy.

If you go to the motor oil forums, Redline is usually one of the top performers. They use a 100% Group V Ester formulation which is a higher grade base stock than that found in Castrol 10w60 and any commercial grade motor oil.

[Radiation Joe]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

But why would you? For the small difference in price why not just run the factory recommended oil? Seems like there is absolutely no benefit to using some other brand and/or weight other than maybe saving a few bucks.

You obviously haven't priced Redline oils.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

You obviously haven't priced Redline oils.

That wasnt my point. I don't know the price of redline but even at half the price of Castrol its still not a material amount. Even if it was free - what makes it better than oem Castrol?

[Vic311]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

You obviously haven't priced Redline oils.

So besides brand loyalty and cost..still waiting on the advantages of non-OEM..specifically running weights other than the recommended 10w-60

[sensi09]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

You obviously haven't priced Redline oils.

I saw your UOA and it looks good, but also curious what you're trying to gain with the mix.

[sensi09]

And an older article, but even though redline makes a 10W60, they don't necessary recommend it over their 5w30. (The s54 is used as the example here)

http://www.redlineoil.com/news_article.aspx?id=13

[cidle323]

Originally Posted by sensi09

And an older article, but even though redline makes a 10W60, they don't necessary recommend it over their 5w30. (The s54 is used as the example here)

http://www.redlineoil.com/news_article.aspx?id=13

Good find, thanks for posting!
I use the 10W60 myself, will look further into this...

[Radiation Joe]

Originally Posted by sensi09

And an older article, but even though redline makes a 10W60, they don't necessary recommend it over their 5w30. (The s54 is used as the example here)

http://www.redlineoil.com/news_article.aspx?id=13

+1 Thanks for the link.

My logic for the lighter weight oil is consistent with the Redline article. Loss of economy and power due to too heavy an oil recommended compared to the intended use. Also, Redline oils are much more stable at temperatures approaching 300 degrees (that our motors see during track days) than the Castrol TWS.

[sensi09]

I'm sure other brands and weights will work, but the more I read about TWS on the oil forums, the more likely I'll stick with the TWS or whatever variation is available to the consumer.

The lubro moly is interesting though, with many on the M5 board claiming less oil consumption and a smoother, quieter running engine. I don't have a problem with either of these though....

[L4ces]

I went to an Indy shop that specializes in high end cars and heard another opinion on oil for the M3. They don't recommend the Castrol TWS because it doesn't meet German specs; only US specs. They say it lacks zinc because of the following reason. Iffff, the vehicle begins to eat oil, it would likely cause problems with the catalytic converters. They said the lack of the zinc results in more sludge and engine wear and that is what theyve witness with the Castrol TWS! So they use two oils they highly recommend and I only recall one for certain and it is Elf (I think the other was Moly or Mobil but I am uncertain). Elf is what they recommend for my M.

Interesting huh? I know, I certainly am not excited to experiment, but that was what they said.

Any thoughts fam?

Edit: Why recommend that zinc be removed from which wears more on the engine in favor of cats? Possibly to avoid the need to replace cats within 100K mile warranty for emissions components. Again, just sharing what I heard today :-)

[Vic311]

Originally Posted by L4ces

I went to an Indy shop that specializes in high end cars and heard another opinion on oil for the M3. They don't recommend the Castrol TWS because it doesn't meet German specs; only US specs. They say it lacks zinc because of the following reason. Iffff, the vehicle begins to eat oil, it would likely cause problems with the catalytic converters. They said the lack of the zinc results in more sludge and engine wear and that is what theyve witness with the Castrol TWS! So they use two oils they highly recommend and I only recall one for certain and it is Elf (I think the other was Moly or Mobil but I am uncertain). Elf is what they recommend for my M.

Interesting huh? I know, I certainly am not excited to experiment, but that was what they said.

Any thoughts fam?

ELF Total Quartz is great oil and LL-01 and LL-04 certified (approved for non-M engines) not the s65..its no longer available in the US anyways

[W///]

I use it, have had it in the M for 6k miles now. Will put another 1k on the car, then send the oil to Blackstone Lab. Will report back afterwards.

[W///]

For what it's worth, pulled from M5board thread.

Mobil 1 Extended Life 10w60

API SN/SM/SL & CF
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4

Kinematic viscosity @ 40°C_________________________152.7 cSt________(ASTM D445)
Kinematic viscosity @ 100°C________________________22.7 cSt_________(ASTM D445)
Viscosity Index___________________________________178
Sulfated Ash wt%_________________________________1.4___________ __(ASTM D874)
Phosphorous, wt%________________________________0.13___________ _(ASTM D4951)
Flash Point_________________________________234ºC_______ ____(ASTM D92)
Density 15.6ºC g/ml_____________________________0.86____________(AS TM D4052)
Total Base Number TBN___________________________11.8_____________(AS TM D2896)
MRV @ -30ºC____________________________________25,762cP__ _______(ASTM D4684)
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC____________________5.7______________(ASTM D4683)


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Shell Helix Ultra Racing 10W-60 10W-60

API SM/CF
ACEA A3/B3/B4

Kinematic viscosity @ 40°C_________________151 cSt_______________(IP 71)
Kinematic viscosity @ 100°C____________________22.8 cSt______________(IP 71)
Density @ 15°C_______________________________0.85 kg/l______________(IP 365)
Flash Point___________________________________215°C_____ ___________(IP 34)
Pour Point____________________________________-39°C________________(IP 15)
HTHS Viscosity @ 150°C PaS____________________5.42

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Valvoline VR1 Racing 10w60

SAE 10W-60
API SL

Kinematic viscosity @ 40°C____________________165 mm2/s____________ASTM D-445
Kinematic viscosity @ 100ºC___________________23.0 mm2/s___________ASTM D-445
Viscosity Index______________________________168____________ ______ASTM D-2270
Viscosity, mPa.s –25°C. ______________________<7000 _______________ASTM D-5293
TBN, mg KOH/g_____________________________12.0________________ __ASTM D-2896
Pour Point__________________________________-39ºC_________________ASTM D-5950
Specific Gravity @ 15.6°C.____________________0.864_________________A STM D-4052
Flash Point, COC_____________________________220ºC_____________ ___ASTM D-92


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Gulf Competition 10W60

(no formal specifications can be claimed, but these oils contain performance
additives designed to achieve ACEA A3/B4 and API SL/CF)

Kinematic viscosity @ 40°C___________________________168.5cSt
Kinematic viscosity @ 100°C__________________________24.1cSt
Viscosity Index_____________________________________175
Cold Crank cP______________________________________6450@ -25ºC
Flash Point_________________________________________>200 ºC
Pour Point_________________________________________-30ºC
TBN mg KOH/g_____________________________________9.2
Density @ 15ºC Kg/l_________________________________0.866


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Castrol Edge 10W60 & Castrol Edge Professional TWS 10W60
*pdf dated JULY/27/2011
&
*pdf dated JUNE/07/2011

ACEA A3/B4, A3/B3
API SM/CF or earlier specification 10W-60 lubricant.
BMW Exclusive approval for BMW M-Models

Kinematic viscosity @ 40°C___________________________________________160 mm²/s _____________ASTM D445
Kinematic viscosity @ 100°C__________________________________________22. 7 mm²/s_____________ASTM D445
Density @ 15°C Relative g/ml_________________________________________0.853__ ________________ASTM D4052
Viscosity CCS -25°C (10W) mPa.s (cP)_________________________________4879_________ __________ASTM D5293
Viscosity Index None______________________________________________ __173____________________ASTM D2270
Pour Point_____________________________________________ ____________-39°C___________________ASTM D97
Flash Point, PMCC______________________________________________ _____203°C__________________ASTM D93
Ash Sulphated % wt________________________________________________ _1.29___________________ASTM D874


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Castrol EDGE SPORT 10W60
*pdf dated MAY/20/2011

API SM/CF,
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 or earlier specification 10W-60 lubricant.

Viscosity, Kinematic 40º C__________________________________157 mm²/s_____________ASTM D445
Viscosity, Kinematic 100ºC__________________________________22.9 mm²/s____________ASTM D445
Density @ 15C Relative g/ml________________________________0.853___________ _______ASTM D4052
Viscosity CCS -25C mPa.s (cP)_______________________________4700___________ _______ASTM D5293
Viscosity Index None_______________________________________174____ _______________ASTM D2270
Ash, Sulphated % wt_______________________________________1.24_____ _____________ASTM D874
Pour Point_____________________________________________ ___-36°C_________________ASTM D97
Flash Point, PMCC__________________________________________208° C________________ASTM D93

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Liqui Moly Synthoil GT1 10W60

API SL/CF

ASTM colour : _____________________3.5
Density at 15 °C : __________________0.86 g/cm³
Viscosity at 40 °C : _________________163 mm²/s
Viscosity at 100 °C : ________________24 mm²/s
Viscosity index : ___________________179
Flash point : _______________________238 °C
Pour point : _______________________-35 °C
Evaporation loss : __________________6.9 %

[Mpowah]

I use liqui molly 10w-60 for top ups with no issues! Indy shop got me hooked on it since my dealer never put enough oil during a routine change

[kchu221]

i just did my oil change last night with the liqui moly 10w60, well see how it is...

[M3PO]

My UOAs on Castrol have been pretty bad. Showing high bearing related metals at just ~8K miles. I may try Liqui Moly on the next change to see if it slows down the bearing wear.

[W///]

Sent my sample to Blackstone yesterday. 6500 miles on Liqui Moly 10W60 (had to change oil slightly early due to long roadtrip coming up), no top up in between. Will keep you guys updated.

[W///]

Blackstone report came back: