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      03-11-2013, 11:19 PM   #67
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Hmmm....BMW....Beijing Motor Work?
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      03-12-2013, 12:33 PM   #68
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Yes Sir, sad to see... Hence why I now drive an ATS.
Riiight, so now you've bought a Caddy... a GM product... hmm yes I see, because GM aren't known for whoring out platforms from and to the entire world under god knows how many brand-names, platform sharing, parts sharing... including... tie-ups with China. Wonder how long it will be before the Alpha platform is used to underpin a saloon for SAIC...
You're missing the point just to defend the great BMW. Carry on...
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      03-12-2013, 02:56 PM   #69
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As an owner, of course this is not a move that I would like BMW to take. However, this is a smart move and has been done by Mercedes and Audi already. Their lower end models C-class and E-class, A4, A6 etc are made in China to keep the costs down. It is still very expensive in China but it will reduce the costs from importation by a lot. I heard that the 3 series made by brilliance will use 60% materials from Germany while the remainder from China
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Next thing you know, the Chinese knock off will be competing with BMW on international markets.

Better not pump up your opponents. Short sighted beancounter strategy.
It's not a knockoff guys. It is a BMW sedan just made in China... and ONLY for the Chinese market. It will not have any impact on the market anywhere else in the world. It will still be a premium car with a premium price tag. The only difference will be the costs of manufacturing going down in return for greater profits for both Brilliance and BMW.

If you call this being a knockoff, then you can call all the A4's, and A6's that are made in China knock-offs.
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You're missing the point just to defend the great BMW. Carry on...
Care to clarify your point then? To me it seemed like you were suggesting you bought an ATS (Cadillac/GM product) because BMW were "Selling out", and because of "what BMW has become just in the name of profit"...

I would have thought that if those two reasons were enough to sway you away from a brand, then you would have at least settled for a brand of fine upstanding core values, built on tradition, that doesn't badge engineer, platform share, deal with the Chinese or produce products that satisfy widespread demand in order to make a profit.... hence my sarcastic comment about buying an ATS.

If on the other hand, you just think the F30 and the F10 are bad products, then fine, each to their own.
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This is a bunch of bull. Bmw shouldn't lower themselves and partner with some Chinese company. The Chinese will ruin the car and hurt bmws name.
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This is a bunch of bull. Bmw shouldn't lower themselves and partner with some Chinese company. The Chinese will ruin the car and hurt bmws name.
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