Weistec S3 C63 Black vs ESS VT2-625 M3 - Page 3

kiln · 03-06-2013, 08:42 AM

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Yea I know it uses the SLS internals.. but the nice part about it is that it comes that way from the factory.

And I agreed with you, lol, but at a cost over 100K it better come that way from the factory, so does the P31, dont' take this as insulting your intelligence, I'm just throwing it out there for everyone who's interested in the info, again Weistec recommends upgrading the internals with a Stage 3.

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regarding your 2nd paragraph.. I mean really? didnt you see my response saying "how long this engine will last is for a different debate" That shit is common sense bro. No need to explain that to me.

Lol, no idea what you are talking about where is your response stating that? Again, it's not just about to what you may think or know, just general info on the subject, I threw it out there for everyone.

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The boss 302 seems to be most enticing for me. Forged internals from the factory with 750-900whp potential. If you blow it up, it will not cost you a fortune to rebuild.

I like that car too, it's a lot easier to mod for big power from the factory, but RWD is always a bitch with big power.

Cant u get the sls internals as an option on the regular c63s?

What impresses me most is what amg is doin with sls black series. Reducing the drivetrain weight even further to spin a 6.2l to 8k rpm. Bmw where ya at?

M3_WC · 03-06-2013, 12:35 PM

You would think the big wing on the Black Series hurts straight line racing?

erm324 · 03-06-2013, 02:45 PM

That C63 was also on pump gas tune with that kit just recently installed before the event. I wonder how much more it has in it with a race gas tune and some more boost.

Autobahn335i · 03-08-2013, 06:08 AM

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You would think the big wing on the Black Series hurts straight line racing?

It definitely does. SportAuto measured the no aero C63 PP is faster by 17km/h compared to the BS on the Döttinger Höhe of the Nürburgring.

Soorena · 03-08-2013, 06:28 AM

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It definitely does. SportAuto measured the no aero C63 PP is faster by 17km/h compared to the BS on the Döttinger Höhe of the Nürburgring.

WOW that's a huge difference. Plus the aero pack looks too fast and furious-ish.

Autobahn335i · 03-08-2013, 07:59 AM

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WOW that's a huge difference. Plus the aero pack looks too fast and furious-ish.

Yes top speed was 287 vs 270 km/h. But around fast tracks the wings, diffusor and flaps will definitely provide an advantage.

Ecampbell · 03-08-2013, 10:59 AM

Hey Drew,

Wanted to make the event but the car is now on the east coast for the summer.

Have fun at shit sector as both of Jim's cars will be there....the results should be interesting for all!

DLSJ5 · 03-08-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kiln

Cant u get the sls internals as an option on the regular c63s?

What impresses me most is what amg is doin with sls black series. Reducing the drivetrain weight even further to spin a 6.2l to 8k rpm. Bmw where ya at?

Not sure, I like the 6.2 and the Weistec setups as much as anyone else, but the S65 still produces more power per liter and revs to 8400rpm, so I guess you could argue pluses for both, but for big power I agree the 6.2L does seem like a much easier route. Either way I'd be happy to own either.

DLSJ5 · 03-08-2013, 12:01 PM

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Hey Drew,

Wanted to make the event but the car is now on the east coast for the summer.

Have fun at shit sector as both of Jim's cars will be there....the results should be interesting for all!

Earl! Good to see you posting over here, I really wanted to see your car in action, with that the very impressive 144MPH trap you hit, your car would do some major damage at the event, but I totally understand why you can't make it, they'll be more so maybe next time and I'm also looking forward to meeting you eventually as well.

Weistec, is a sponsor at the event, which is awesome and exciting for us at Shift-S3ctor. Jim's cars will do extremely well, I'm looking forward to meeting him and the guys as Weistec too. Should be interesting for sure, but I have zero chance against the 1000HP setup! He'll be a good match for a lot of the big HP cars that will be there, Josh's Built Motor Stage 3 Weistec C63 (Silver Dragon) will be there as well, should be epic.

Ecampbell · 03-08-2013, 12:29 PM

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Earl! Good to see you posting over here, I really wanted to see your car in action, with that the very impressive 144MPH trap you hit, your car would do some major damage at the event, but I totally understand why you can't make it, they'll be more so maybe next time and I'm also looking forward to meeting you eventually as well.

Weistec, is a sponsor at the event, which is awesome and exciting for us at Shift-S3ctor. Jim's cars will do extremely well, I'm looking forward to meeting him and the guys as Weistec too. Should be interesting for sure, but I have zero chance against the 1000HP setup! He'll be a good match for a lot of the big HP cars that will be there, Josh's Built Motor Stage 3 Weistec C63 (Silver Dragon) will be there as well, should be epic.

Your right that there is always an event around the corner.

The next planned high speed event for me will be the Texas mile as we should join the 200mph club there. I read something about an event in Chicago in June...might try that if I am in the country.

ttyl

DLSJ5 · 03-08-2013, 12:37 PM

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Your right that there is always an event around the corner.

The next planned high speed event for me will be the Texas mile as we should join the 200mph club there. I read something about an event in Chicago in June...might try that if I am in the country.

ttyl

Sounds good, would love to hit the Texas mile one of these days, I have no doubt that you'll do well there, best of luck.

M3PO · 03-08-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by M3_WC

You would think the big wing on the Black Series hurts straight line racing?

One thing is for sure, it hurts my eyes.

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Hey Drew,

Wanted to make the event but the car is now on the east coast for the summer.

Have fun at shit sector as both of Jim's cars will be there....the results should be interesting for all!

That's fucked up.

Seems to me that Drew's car is a good match for these Stage 3 C63s. Not bad at all IMO, considering about the same amount of money went into the two cars (if you consider the BS at least).

Soorena · 03-09-2013, 06:35 AM

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That's fucked up.

Pretty sure it's a typo man.

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Seems to me that Drew's car is a good match for these Stage 3 C63s. Not bad at all IMO, considering about the same amount of money went into the two cars (if you consider the BS at least).

Sorry i didn't get your point. The BS is a $130,000 car and the M3 costs half of that. If you mean build price, well the VT3 is a built motor while the stage 3 is still a stock motor and judging by the price Mahle asked img, i believe the VT3 costs a few thousands more than the stage 3.

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Yes top speed was 287 vs 270 km/h. But around fast tracks the wings, diffusor and flaps will definitely provide an advantage.

It's still is ricey as hell.

The aero stuff on the C63 BS aero pack (and also the SLS BS) belong to Lancer and Sentra. I don't know what the hell has happened to AMG design department, it seems they put some Need For Speed Underground junkies in charge.

M3_WC · 03-09-2013, 01:12 PM

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Sorry i didn't get your point. The BS is a $130,000 car and the M3 costs half of that. If you mean price, well the VT3 is a built motor while the stage 3 is still a stock motor and judging by the price Mahle asked img, i believe the VT3 costs a few thousands more than the stage 3.

Yeah, maybe he just referring to Stage 3 C63 in general. A base C63 with Weistec upgraded internals and stage 3 would probably be a similar build cost to a VT3 M3.

aussiem3 · 03-09-2013, 06:52 PM

But looks good on video, and have a feel good feeling of what an awesome base car we have in a stock ///3.

Very good for pub bragging. Waste of money for everyday use unless the cars are often tracked, I mean at least once or twice a month in pro events. One won't be able to drive on the streets like that, and it will be a licence to lose the licence.

Guys, drive carefully and enjoy your cars. Thank you for posting the video collection. Awesome

Uiop · 03-13-2013, 01:10 PM

Weistec just released M157 turbo upgrade. They claim 730 whp and wtq. This should be interesting.

BlackJetE90 · 03-13-2013, 01:26 PM

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Weistec just released M157 turbo upgrade. They claim 730 whp and wtq.

That is pricey for stock housing upgraded turbos.

03-08-2013, 10:59 AM	#51
Ecampbell New Member Drives: Clk Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Everywhere Posts: 24 iTrader: (0)	Hey Drew, Wanted to make the event but the car is now on the east coast for the summer. Have fun at shit sector as both of Jim's cars will be there....the results should be interesting for all! __________________ Just another run of the mill slightly modified clk black series.

03-09-2013, 06:52 PM	#59
aussiem3 Captain Drives: '07 E92 M3/'11 F25 X3 3.0D Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Down Under Posts: 755 iTrader: (0)	But looks good on video, and have a feel good feeling of what an awesome base car we have in a stock ///3. Very good for pub bragging. Waste of money for everyday use unless the cars are often tracked, I mean at least once or twice a month in pro events. One won't be able to drive on the streets like that, and it will be a licence to lose the licence. Guys, drive carefully and enjoy your cars. Thank you for posting the video collection. Awesome __________________ 2007 E92 6MT - Silverstone II with Extended Black and /// Performance Exhaust and BPM Sport Tune 2011 F25 X3 3.0d

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03-06-2013, 12:35 PM	#46
M3_WC Lieutenant Colonel Drives: M3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: CA Posts: 1,829 iTrader: (0)	You would think the big wing on the Black Series hurts straight line racing?

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erm324 Major Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 1,049 iTrader: (1)	That C63 was also on pump gas tune with that kit just recently installed before the event. I wonder how much more it has in it with a race gas tune and some more boost.

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Uiop Private First Class Drives: BMW Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Boston Posts: 156 iTrader: (0)	Weistec just released M157 turbo upgrade. They claim 730 whp and wtq. This should be interesting.