M3 big brother beats DOWN the 2012 GT-R - Page 8

Soorena · 02-19-2013, 12:58 PM

Anyone doubting the GT-R's performance should drive that car first. Looks boy-racerish, doesn't sound good, the backseat is good for dwarfs, has a not-so-good interior... That's all true. But the car is fast, in straight line or corners. Doesn't matter.

As for the OP, interesting is all i can say.

konaforever · 02-19-2013, 03:38 PM

Hard to believe that the M6 could pull on a GTR like that. Will have to see more results to formulate a final decision. It's 1/4 mile trap speed would have to be at least 5 mph faster, which isn't likely.

DiavelM3 · 02-19-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspeed

You do realize that's the same car right? Watch the video from the roll in its entirety please. Race 3 is from a dig. Same car.

Interesting. One vid shows stock vs stock and the GTR having 530hp and the other shows GTR with Y-pipe, Decat and tune. I would think the Y-pipe, decat and tune would put the GTR closer to 580hp?

Topspeed · 02-19-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DiavelM3

Interesting. One vid shows stock vs stock and the GTR having 530hp and the other shows GTR with Y-pipe, Decat and tune. I would think the Y-pipe, decat and tune would put the GTR closer to 580hp?

The owner claims he has a catless midpipe, no tune. It's impossible to verify what state of tune any car is running based purely on a video clip. Too many variables.
A similar spec GT-R did put up quite a fight against Gustav's G-Power m3. Sadly that clip has been made private on YouTube.

I raised an issue with the original clip, as quite a few did, and it would now appear that a 720 hp PP performance M5 could only manage a time of 11.4 at 125 mph on a dragstrip in the UAE. Perhaps they can improve on that as this was an initial run. Granted the climate and traction etc, does play a factor and I'm unsure if launch control was used. However, the fastest recorded time for a stock '13 GT-R (2012 model for the rest of the world) at a dragstrip happens to be 10.8 @ 125 mph. Correction, 10.7x @ 126.8 mph (Dragtimes.com).

So the skepticism isn't unwarranted in this case. Despite the initial theatrics and hysteria the original and subsequent clips elicited, I'm sure a clearer picture will emerge in due course.

krnnerdboy · 02-19-2013, 11:33 PM

Curious to know this m6's 60-130

mattixxg · 02-20-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DiavelM3

LOL, Um, I think you'e missing the point. We're discussing the '12 GTR vs M6 in some drag races - straight-line races NOT on a track.
The GTR would eat the M6 on a track. No one is disputing that..
You don't need to get all butt hurt because the almighty '12 GTR is getting beat by the new M6 in a few straight line races... It's a good thing and it shows the capability of the new M6. It's all good if you're a car enthusiast. You can respect BOTH cars and understand that BOTH cars are also in different segments and have their strengths and weakness. No biggie right?
Wrong, because it seems that all the GTR fanboys come outta the woodwork and try to make excuse after excuse about these vids because their ego is so big they can't face the fact that there is a car out there that can take them in a straight line drag race.
If you have a '12 GTR and want to find someone on this board with an M6 in Texas, hit them up and post your vid. Straight line race of course.
Put your money where YOUR mouth is
Anyway, Stay focused. Straight-line race
Here's another "yawn-worthy" vid, which I'm sure you'll watch and make an excuse for

First off, no butt hurt here.
As far as money and mouth..well..i did check out the GTR forums and posted the email of a guy who called...basically the M6 board out.
Cant get any more straight forward that than. I could link you if need be.

Lastly, youre talking Texas..THIS texas?

http://www.tx2k.com/

Beware, as youre not just going head up against GTRs...

And no need to make any excuses whatsoever. Theres personal owners, racing houses that attend plus 1000+hp machines..and STRAIGHT LINE racing.
I dont think you realize what is involved at an event like that...

For your vid, that was a 08-10 GTR correct?
The bmw, what mods? Going from a roll also, and stock or no?

And re read some of the posts...as its suspect.

If the driver sucks thats one thing....

DiavelM3 · 02-20-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mattixxg

First off, no butt hurt here.

Yeah right

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As far as money and mouth..well..i did check out the GTR forums and posted the email of a guy who called...basically the M6 board out.
Cant get any more straight forward that than. I could link you if need be.

Perfect! Lets see how it turns out

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Beware, as youre not just going head up against GTRs...

And no need to make any excuses whatsoever. Theres personal owners, racing houses that attend plus 1000+hp machines..and STRAIGHT LINE racing.
I dont think you realize what is involved at an event like that...

Don't really care man

You're still missing the whole point. I'm getting exhausted trying to explain it to you. Real world = anything can happen. Driver error, conditions etc. The vid (s), there is more than one from the OP and other drivers tell one story but your DENIAL continues? I can't help you

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For your vid, that was a 08-10 GTR correct?
The bmw, what mods? Going from a roll also, and stock or no?

For your viewing pleasure

Here is a stock vs stock (but an M5 this time). Not bad for a 4 door, eh?

Oh wait, you're going to make more excuses. OK
<Insert GTR fanboy excuses here>

mattixxg · 02-20-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aro1

BS. They are not even in the same league.

0-60 on a 2012 is 2.9 and quarter mile 11.1-11.2, easlily reproduced by launch control.

2013 is down to 2.8 and 2014 down to 2.7, probably under 11 sec. in the quarter mile.

Guy in GTR either can't drive or something is wrong with the car.

It would be like saying a 911 Turbo S gets beat down by an M6.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-r-test-review.

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/n...w_m6_2012.html

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Originally Posted by Aro1

Launch control isn't even necessary to outrun the m6. Also, it's a lot easier to set up than on m3/m6. Rolling start or not. Warranty is a nonissue these days, but people who are ignorant about the gtr tend to base this off misinformation from the internet/forums.

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Originally Posted by UnaBomber

roll racing a gtr in 5th gear FTW

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Originally Posted by 997GT3

Do you know anything about cars? An M6 might stand a chance against a 09 GTR but there is no way it could beat a 2012 and beyond. Not. Even. Close. Either the M6 was modified or the GTR was broken.

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Originally Posted by erm324

Spot on. The new M6 is most definitely a fast car and would walk away from a stock 2009 GTR, but the 2012+ are very quick and I doubt the M6 has enough in it to beat it both in the 1/4 and from a roll.

I dont get what your getting at here, it has nothing to do with what car you own. I own an M3 and love M cars, but realistically in order to walk the GTR like the M6 did in the video it would need to be trapping 130mph+ to put a beating on it as the video portrays (and I HIGHLY doubt the M6 will break 122-123 traps in stock form, aftermarket is a different story). It has nothing to do with him being an "insecure gtr fanboi," its common sense that the race would be CLOSE at best from a roll (based off trap speeds for both cars). I would be hard pressed to believe this video is accurate in any way shape or form. But yet again, anything can happen on the street

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Originally Posted by Optherion

I am not sure what I just watched, but how on earth did an M5 pull 10 car lengths on a stock GT-R. I was expecting it to inch MAYBE slightly once I heard roll race and then read the thread. Maybe the GT-R started in 5th gear or something. The new M5/M6 is very fast but not that fast!

Its not insecure "fanbois". Its making a correction when you are watching something on the internet and dont know all the details.. Id rather be a fanboi with seat experience and know what I am talking about, than someone who rattles off information cause of a youtube video they watched.

If any of you actually believe this video and have an M5 ill run you in my stock 2013 GT-R for some cash. Any takers? My 2013 GT-R is obviously really slow. You have nothing to lose.

Note: Previous M3 Owner, Prospective M5 buyer.

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Originally Posted by 997GT3

Insecurity has nothing to do with it, reality and real world experience does. I have owned every incarnation of the R35 GTR and I have collectively put close to 50,000 miles on them. I would have believed a stock 09-11 GTR would have lost to the new M5/6 but a 2012-2014 model would have beaten the Bimmers handily. The GTRs can consistently run 3 second 0-60s and 7 second 0-100s(I have personally clocked a 2.9 and 6.9 with no rollout using a Racelogic Vbox). Every review I have read has the M5/6 running around 4 seconds to 60 and high 8s to 100.
Plus this video flies in the face of Chris Harris' and Autocars head to head between an M5 and a GTR.
BTW, I'm not some Nissan fanboi. I have owned many BMWs, including an M3, M6, and an X6M.

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Originally Posted by 997GT3

No. It's a good indication of gearing. Most cars are geared to be more performance oriented at lower speeds.

No. As I've pointed out repeatedly a GTR is faster even without LC. I have consistently hit mid 3s to 60 and mid 7s to 100 with no launch. An M6 can't hit those even with LC.

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Originally Posted by Optherion

Ive offered up. Might have to find someone who wants to run at the next air strip event.

m5/m6 wouldnt really matter. In fact the M5 weighs less and I would suspect is faster in a straight line. No one has explained though how the m6 for being a few tenths faster on paper managed to pull 10 car lengths. At both those cars level of performance doesnt make sense.

Can someone explain this then?^

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Originally Posted by 997GT3

No its an indication of gear ratios. The gtr is the lighter more aerodynamic car. It is 400 plus pounds lighter than the BMW and has a significantly lower drag coefficient.
Speeds over 130 go to the m6 anything below is clearly the gtrs domain.
That's why the video is bogus. It isn't because the Nissan launches better.

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Originally Posted by 997GT3

And if you bothered reading anything I have posted you'd know the gtr has faster times even without using lc than the m6 does using it.

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Originally Posted by Sakred

Lol at the BMW guys hailing this like the return of the Messiah. Just a street race.

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Originally Posted by MrClean335i

This race is the biggest BS I have seen in a while.

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Originally Posted by 997GT3

That's how it goes? Really?
What I see is someone bragging about an M6 obliterating a GTR and when anybody dares questions it they're called overly sensitive GTR fanboys.
How many times does it have to be repeated that a 2012 and beyond GTRwithout using launch control is faster through 130 than an M6 using its lc? Do you comprehend?

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Originally Posted by 997GT3

You're kidding, right? Do you understand I have owned three GTRs?
Do you understand I have tested each one of them over and over again using a Vbox?
Do you grasp the fact that I have repeatedly had better times than a launched M6 without using LC. These are consistent. A nonlaunched 2012 and beyond GTR will be in the mid to high 3s to 60. Will consistently take 4 seconds to go from 60-100. These are better than an M6.
Does an M6 do better up high? Yes but it will take a quarter mile before you start seeing it. But my gripe is showing an M6 pulling down low (ie its not representative of M6 versus GTR performance).

A piece of advice: try and avoid ad hom

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Originally Posted by 997GT3

Nope. Have you? Or a GTR?
At least I have lots and lots of experience with the Nissan. And I have lots of experience with the engine in the new M6.
BTW, I don't street race. Its stupid.

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Originally Posted by Optherion

Im referring to the M6 convertible in weight. 4490 pounds.
2013 BMW M6 Convertible 0-60 mph 3.9 Quarter Mile 12.1

I highly doubt the m6 coupe is an entire second faster putting it paced with a GT-R. It would need to pull off a 10.8 to tie. LOL. If you want to negate the 1/4 mile time and say from 60-120 I would expect the GT-R to still pull maybe 1 car length.

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Originally Posted by Topspeed

The owner claims he has a catless midpipe, no tune. It's impossible to verify what state of tune any car is running based purely on a video clip. Too many variables.
A similar spec GT-R did put up quite a fight against Gustav's G-Power m3. Sadly that clip has been made private on YouTube.

I raised an issue with the original clip, as quite a few did, and it would now appear that a 720 hp PP performance M5 could only manage a time of 11.4 at 125 mph on a dragstrip in the UAE. Perhaps they can improve on that as this was an initial run. Granted the climate and traction etc, does play a factor and I'm unsure if launch control was used. However, the fastest recorded time for a stock '13 GT-R (2012 model for the rest of the world) at a dragstrip happens to be 10.8 @ 125 mph. Correction, 10.7x @ 126.8 mph (Dragtimes.com).

So the skepticism isn't unwarranted in this case. Despite the initial theatrics and hysteria the original and subsequent clips elicited, I'm sure a clearer picture will emerge in due course.

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Originally Posted by konaforever

Hard to believe that the M6 could pull on a GTR like that. Will have to see more results to formulate a final decision. It's 1/4 mile trap speed would have to be at least 5 mph faster, which isn't likely.

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Originally Posted by Soorena

Anyone doubting the GT-R's performance should drive that car first. Looks boy-racerish, doesn't sound good, the backseat is good for dwarfs, has a not-so-good interior... That's all true. But the car is fast, in straight line or corners. Doesn't matter.

As for the OP, interesting is all i can say.

Apparently, Im not the only one here that disagrees.

Lastly:
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Rimola

http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/...r/page__st__20

See post 26 and 29.
He actually called out m 5 and m6 guys.
Plain as day.

shameless plug:

http://www.tx2k.com/

ScreaM · 02-20-2013, 06:32 PM

Serious thread..

adc · 02-20-2013, 07:56 PM

Lord have mercy...

I'm calling out all modified GTRs in Maryland, 0-60 race against my miata. You can use launch control, it won't matter. 2012 and later cars especially welcome.

ms372 · 02-20-2013, 07:58 PM

^

DiavelM3 · 02-20-2013, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by adc

Lord have mercy...

I'm calling out all modified GTRs in Maryland, 0-60 race against my miata. You can use launch control, it won't matter. 2012 and later cars especially welcome.

SROC5 · 02-20-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DiavelM3

This video does show a GT-R cannot leave the M5 / M6 behind from a rolling start. It certainly keeps up. Isn't that what the OP and original post claim? Then again, this thread brings the goods...continue to "debate"

M3 Esq. · 02-20-2013, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by adc

Lord have mercy...

I'm calling out all modified GTRs in Maryland, 0-60 race against my miata. You can use launch control, it won't matter. 2012 and later cars especially welcome.

Shit just got real

GIdriver · 02-20-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Esq.

Shit just got real

Agree. LOL!!

KKM3 · 02-20-2013, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mattixxg

First off, no butt hurt here.
As far as money and mouth..well..i did check out the GTR forums and posted the email of a guy who called...basically the M6 board out.
Cant get any more straight forward that than. I could link you if need be.

Lastly, youre talking Texas..THIS texas?

http://www.tx2k.com/

Beware, as youre not just going head up against GTRs...

And no need to make any excuses whatsoever. Theres personal owners, racing houses that attend plus 1000+hp machines..and STRAIGHT LINE racing.
I dont think you realize what is involved at an event like that...

For your vid, that was a 08-10 GTR correct?
The bmw, what mods? Going from a roll also, and stock or no?

And re read some of the posts...as its suspect.

If the driver sucks thats one thing....

How old are you? You sound like my 8 year old nephew. "My power ranger is stronger than urs"

That's your new name "power ranger" Change your screen name to "pink ranger" c'mon do it. Stop being a little bi$&@

kotik · 02-21-2013, 10:26 AM

I'm prey sure my m3 can take care of a new GTR. I'm pretty close with Hitman's GTR (550whp). I actually took him in first gear, him not using LC. In a quarter he was a car away. Dunno about newest GTR's, but like 2010 I spank pretty easily.

mattixxg · 02-21-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KKM3

How old are you? You sound like my 8 year old nephew. "My power ranger is stronger than urs"

That's your new name "power ranger" Change your screen name to "pink ranger" c'mon do it. Stop being a little bi$&@

So let me get this straight, inviting people to an enthusiasts National car event (in about 3 weeks) where everyone can put their money where their mouth is, coming to a resolve of sorts...considering neither side believes the other is sounding like an 8 year old?

Are you serious?

ESPECIALLY when, after all ive posted, that there are two opposing viewpoints?

Are you even in the right thread dude?

By the way, M3 big brother beats DOWN the 2012 GT-R doesnt sound like an 8 year olds post?

Please..stop posting. This was alot more fun with the technical debate about the abilities of each vehicle. Stick to that. Insults aren't your strong point.

UnaBomber · 02-21-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mattixxg

So let me get this straight, inviting people to an enthusiasts National car event (in about 3 weeks) where everyone can put their money where their mouth is, coming to a resolve of sorts...considering neither side believes the other is sounding like an 8 year old?

Are you serious?

ESPECIALLY when, after all ive posted, that there are two opposing viewpoints?

Are you even in the right thread dude?

By the way, M3 big brother beats DOWN the 2012 GT-R doesnt sound like an 8 year olds post?

Please..stop posting. This was alot more fun with the technical debate about the abilities of each vehicle. Stick to that. Insults aren't your strong point.

ill be in texas for 2k and would be happy to run any BMW from these forums

mattixxg · 02-21-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UnaBomber

ill be in texas for 2k and would be happy to run any BMW from these forums

mattixxg · 02-21-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mattixxg

I wonder why theres no thread for T2K here?

The guys over at Viper, Supra, GTR, Lamborghini, Vette, Ford have at least one thread on it.

S65NAPWR · 03-25-2013, 07:21 PM

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Soorena Lieutenant Drives: M3 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Paris Posts: 416 iTrader: (0)	Anyone doubting the GT-R's performance should drive that car first. Looks boy-racerish, doesn't sound good, the backseat is good for dwarfs, has a not-so-good interior... That's all true. But the car is fast, in straight line or corners. Doesn't matter. As for the OP, interesting is all i can say.

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konaforever Second Lieutenant Drives: 2009 Red GTR Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 229 iTrader: (0)	Hard to believe that the M6 could pull on a GTR like that. Will have to see more results to formulate a final decision. It's 1/4 mile trap speed would have to be at least 5 mph faster, which isn't likely.

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kotik Lieutenant Drives: e90 M3 ESS 575 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 481 iTrader: (0)	I'm prey sure my m3 can take care of a new GTR. I'm pretty close with Hitman's GTR (550whp). I actually took him in first gear, him not using LC. In a quarter he was a car away. Dunno about newest GTR's, but like 2010 I spank pretty easily.