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      02-19-2013, 01:53 PM   #23
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Ten seconds of the Googles points to someone who didn't build planes for the Axis seventy years ago being responsible for all of the FQ cars:

But the area where New Zealand-based WRC Developments (responsible, along with Ecutek, for the whole UK FQ line-up) has made the biggest difference is in the suspension. Track widths are up 20mm front and rear, and the whole body sits 30mm lower. Those are big shifts and they make a big difference.
What about the Evo IX FQ400?
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AWD for real?!
The non AMG version is front wheel drive, AWD is better than that.
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Ten seconds of the Googles points to someone who didn't build planes for the Axis seventy years ago being responsible for all of the FQ cars:

But the area where New Zealand-based WRC Developments (responsible, along with Ecutek, for the whole UK FQ line-up) has made the biggest difference is in the suspension. Track widths are up 20mm front and rear, and the whole body sits 30mm lower. Those are big shifts and they make a big difference.

Ask yourself this, if any car company developed a unique car, with the sunk costs it takes to do so, would they limit themselves to 100 models? I'd guess it has something to do with UK law allowing up to 100 cars from a garage outfit before they have to actually pass emissions and other standards.
Your lame, I am simply stating facts about what is considered a production car. Whether it was from Google or anywhere else, what the heck would that matter. At least I claimed I got it from the internet.

You need to just chill out buddy! Oh, I googled this too, read the first sentence. Mitsubishi "built" the "production" car with their Race Team ADR. I am sooooooo smart!!!!!

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...i-evo-x-fq-400
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I'm with you. I think the FQ400 is a production car. Does Mitsubishi sell it to you to use it on roads? Yes, then it's a production car to me. If it was a Cosworth WRX STi like car, then the discussion would be valid. The 4G63 in the FQ400 is modified for sure, but it's still a production engine.

One thing caught my is the 8.6:1 CR of this A45 AMG. That is pretty low for a DI engine. This will probably cause a mushy throttle response. Looks great though, can't deny that. Somehow they managed to turn the A-Class into a looker.
Agreed! Another great example is the Ken Block Ford Fiesta. It doesn't even have a Fiesta motor in it, and they made it AWD.
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      02-19-2013, 02:40 PM   #27
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Agreed! Another great example is the Ken Block Ford Fiesta. It doesn't even have a Fiesta motor in it, and they made it AWD.
The Cosworth WRX STi is actually a road car.
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The Cosworth WRX STi is actually a road car.
That's interesting, I didn't know they even made a production car. I was thinking the Crawford built STi. UK gets a fun bunch of cars.
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I am very confused on your opinions gentlemen. It clearly states in the add that it's a Mitsubishi production car for Brits. If Mitsubishi didn't tune it to the specs then who did? If Mitsubishi tuned it, then its a Mitsubishi car they "produced" and will sell to people. I am just reading what the article states.
I can see both sides of your guy's argument.

His point it is not coming off Mitsubishi's actual production line in that spec. Your argument it is sold by Mitsubishi so it is therefore a production engine.

I don't think the FQ400 is even available anymore. So Benz's statement that it is the most powerful 4-banger sold today, could technically be a true statement. But honestly who gives a flying f*ck.
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But honestly who gives a flying f*ck.
I am at that point, my fingers are cramping from all this typing and googling.
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I am very confused on your opinions gentlemen. It clearly states in the add that it's a Mitsubishi production car for Brits. If Mitsubishi didn't tune it to the specs then who did? If Mitsubishi tuned it, then its a Mitsubishi car they "produced" and will sell to people. I am just reading what the article states.

Holset, highlighted red makes no sense. Are you saying that a company like Mitsubishi can't tweak an original engine to get more power? Isn't that what all companies do to make more production vehicles. Here is a little something I got from Wiki for both of you.

When used in motorsports, the term is quite exact and a certain number of a model must be produced in order to qualify for the term. The 1968 FIA rules stated that production cars were, for sports cars, at least 25 identical cars produced within a 12 month period and which were meant for normal sale to the individual purchasers.[6] FIA rules tend to allow a degree of modification from the original.


The Subaru Spec C is a production vehicle as well, just not for the states.
These guys tuned it New Zealand-based WRC Developments (responsible, along with Ecutek, for the whole UK FQ line-up) They actually moved from the UK.
http://www.wrcdevelopments.com/about

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http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...o_x_fq400.html

Red Bread you beat me to it.

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These guys tuned it New Zealand-based WRC Developments (responsible, along with Ecutek, for the whole UK FQ line-up) They actually moved from the UK.
http://www.wrcdevelopments.com/about
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http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...o_x_fq400.html
Cool! It's still a production car!
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But honestly who gives a flying f*ck.
I actually agree with this.
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These guys tuned it New Zealand-based WRC Developments (responsible, along with Ecutek, for the whole UK FQ line-up) They actually moved from the UK.
http://www.wrcdevelopments.com/about

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http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...o_x_fq400.html

Red Bread you beat me to it.
So what? Isn't the A45 tuned by the AMG GmbH in the same way the Lancer Evo is tuned by the WRC Developments? It's the same thing.


I couldn't care less anyway, a 4 cylinder banger based on FWD platform for 50,000 Euro before options.
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So what? Isn't the A45 tuned by the AMG GmbH in the same way the Lancer Evo is tuned by the WRC Developments? It's the same thing.
Kinda...kinda not. AMG is a wholly owned subsidiary of Mercedes. Are both tuned versions of their respective model, yes. One done all in house. The other done in partnership and was sold in very limited numbers. Same thing...kinda, but not exactly.

Like you said who really cares.

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Kinda...kinda not. AMG is a wholly owned subsidiary of Mercedes. Are both tuned versions of their respective model, yes. One done all in house. The other done in partnership and was sold in very limited numbers. Same thing...kinda, but not exactly.

Like you said who really cares.
You do because you responded...
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I'm glad they use DCT instead of MCT, but a hot hatch definitely at least needs the option of a manual. Doesn't make sense for the base a-series to offer a manual, but the AMG version not to. Just one of the things I never understood about AMG.

Even though this is AWD, it's still based on FWD so I wonder how much of the FWD characteristics will peak through.

And even though I do prefer the CLA45, the A45 should at least be offered in the U.S.
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You do because you responded...
Good grief, if I really cared about every post, I'd probably have seven total posts. It's a car forum, not a nomination for the Nobel, lighten up.

The fact is, trying to argue that a car built in a total run over two generations of 200 models, tuned by a non affiliated aftermarket company is difficult to call a production car. It would be hard to find a more rare "production" car, including Donkevoort, Marussia and Spyker in that group.
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You do because you responded...
Not recognize sarcasm much?
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Not recognize sarcasm much?
Pot calling kettle black much?
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I honestly can't wait to see the CLA45 AMG in person and drive it. This A class looks good! (as like a high class GTi, European 1M competitor).

But, in the US, that CLA looks nice. I've always liked that body style (especially from Mercedes - my dad has the CLS500 the first year it came out and it was beautiful then and the newer model looks even better).

I'm not sure how I would like going from a TT I6 to a turbo 4 cylinder though... and I'm not sure if it would even matter, but would having a smaller engine (albeit 360hp) make the car slower at high speeds?

Can't wait to drive it and compare to my 335is and the new 4series Msport /M4
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Manual with 3 pedals >>> DCT/AUTO

Driving experience with 3 pedals is more satisfying than going .5 seconds quicker.
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