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      02-14-2013, 04:52 PM   #67
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I should have clarified....

Without cause..... the 3 Americans who are lucky to be alive for committing the crime of driving a pickup truck. The only reason they are alive is because of the extreme incompetence and poor shooting ability of the average cop.

I know you said you didnt condone that, but those officers wont see anything bad happen to them for what is simply attempted murder in my book. Cops are given way too much power and reform is badly needed.
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I hope someone takes issue and actually sues the LAPD and Sheriffs depts. I couldn't care less about Dorner and what he did was wrong. But if someone outside of law enforcement took the law into their own hands and did something like the sheriffs did, they wouldn't see the light of day any more.
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1st let me say, I'm definitely not mad at you or anything KOJ, just a friendly debate...
I was going to write this as well. I'm not mad or upset. I think it's an interesting discussion!
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While we're at it with the OCD... They could have and should have handled it very differently.

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They could of and should of handled it very differently. There is no reason why they had to burn down the house.
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He was hiding in a surrounded cabin that was being torn apart. Unless he's actively fighting, the only cause to kill him is revenge. If it was a warzone and not a neighborhood, then I suppose such action might occasionally be called for.
The cabin was being torn apart? Source?
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They got who?
Yeah you're right, he probably wasn't even in the cabin.
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I find it really funny how in another thread about a drunk driver killing two people and the father shooting the driver dead most of the respondents thought it was totally justified but two cops being shot in cold blood garners a completely different response. You guys are weird...
I'm sort of steering this off topic, but I wonder what people would of thought in the case of the father revenge killing over his sons if the other driver was not drunk and it was just a freak accident. I assume the father would still be emotionally distraught after the incident, though I'm curious if he would still kill the other driver over it due to a temporary bout of grief stricken insanity.
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If you listen to the tapes you can hear the cops say that they heard a single gunshot within the cabin, indicating that he likely shot himself. I don't see how that is a revenge killing.
If they thought he was dead, then why burn the house down?
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If they thought he was dead, then why burn the house down?
If you listen to the radio audio, they had already shot in the "gas" cans. Also, unless you're sure that's what happened, you wouldn't just roll up with a fire truck.
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I'm sort of steering this off topic, but I wonder what people would of thought in the case of the father revenge killing over his sons if the other driver was not drunk and it was just a freak accident. I assume the father would still be emotionally distraught after the incident, though I'm curious if he would still kill the other driver over it due to a temporary bout of grief stricken insanity.
That's a VERY good question.
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This was revenge- not police work. Throughout this manhunt, civilians were in much greater danger from the police than they were from Dorner, validating Dorner's point.

The homeowner should definitely charge them with arson, and the civilians who were shot at should charge the cops with attempted murder.
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That's a VERY good question.
I think I'll mention it in that thread. Hopefully I'm not throwing a rock at a hornets' nest doing so.
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Correct if I am wrong, but the term "burner" used in that youtube audio is police slang for tear gas canisters.
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Correct if I am wrong, but the term "burner" used in that youtube audio is police slang for tear gas canisters.
That's correct.
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Body confirmed to be that of Christopher Dorner.

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You are really missing the point here, we live in the USA, a country where everyone is (supposed to be) considered innocent until proven guilty; everyone must be entitled to their day in court to assure a fair system. Yet, these police acted as judge, jury, and executioner. It has already been established that they were heard on audio saying ''get the gas, let's burn it down''.

What the police did is wrong, you can't defend it, it doesn't matter how many were killed, it is simply not their right in this country to execute a suspect through arson. There are a thousand other ways that they could have handled this situation, the most effective would have simply been to wait it out, he would have eventually ran out of food.

Here's the scary, part once you let something like this be deemed acceptable, what's to say they won't repeat this type of behavior? Maybe next time the suspect will be falsely accused....
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You are really missing the point here, we live in the USA, a country where everyone is (supposed to be) considered innocent until proven guilty; everyone must be entitled to their day in court to assure a fair system. Yet, these police acted as judge, jury, and executioner. It has already been established that they were heard on audio saying ''get the gas, let's burn it down''.

What the police did is wrong, you can't defend it, it doesn't matter how many were killed, it is simply not their right in this country to execute a suspect through arson. There are a thousand other ways that they could have handled this situation, the most effective would have simply been to wait it out, he would have eventually ran out of food.

Here's the scary, part once you let something like this be deemed acceptable, what's to say they won't repeat this type of behavior? Maybe next time the suspect will be falsely accused....
What makes it worse is how they conducted themselves/the "investigation" up to this point.

It just looks like they are out if control.
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You are really missing the point here, we live in the USA, a country where everyone is (supposed to be) considered innocent until proven guilty; everyone must be entitled to their day in court to assure a fair system. Yet, these police acted as judge, jury, and executioner. It has already been established that they were heard on audio saying ''get the gas, let's burn it down''.

What the police did is wrong, you can't defend it, it doesn't matter how many were killed, it is simply not their right in this country to execute a suspect through arson. There are a thousand other ways that they could have handled this situation, the most effective would have simply been to wait it out, he would have eventually ran out of food.

Here's the scary, part once you let something like this be deemed acceptable, what's to say they won't repeat this type of behavior? Maybe next time the suspect will be falsely accused....
What will you say when it comes out conclusively that his cause of death was a self inflicted gunshot wound and that the police did not execute him by arson, as you are speculating? This guy obviously did not want his day in court. As he said himself, he wanted to kill cops and their loved ones. He knew how this game was going to end. If at any point he wanted to surrender, he could have and should have. As I've said before, if he was walking out with his hands up and they shot him dead, I would be right there with you, but that's not what happened.
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You are really missing the point here, we live in the USA, a country where everyone is (supposed to be) considered innocent until proven guilty; everyone must be entitled to their day in court to assure a fair system. Yet, these police acted as judge, jury, and executioner. It has already been established that they were heard on audio saying ''get the gas, let's burn it down''.

What the police did is wrong, you can't defend it, it doesn't matter how many were killed, it is simply not their right in this country to execute a suspect through arson. There are a thousand other ways that they could have handled this situation, the most effective would have simply been to wait it out, he would have eventually ran out of food.

Here's the scary, part once you let something like this be deemed acceptable, what's to say they won't repeat this type of behavior? Maybe next time the suspect will be falsely accused....
What will you say when it comes out conclusively that his cause of death was a self inflicted gunshot wound and that the police did not execute him by arson, as you are speculating?
Well I see it as he had 3 choices, shoot himself, burn to death, or get shot. There was no way he was walking out of their alive.
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You're missing a fourth, critical option. The option to stop killing and turn himself in was available to him the entire time. He knew he was backed into a corner and instead of getting his day in court, he chose to be his own judge and jury. That should be pretty telling. Innocent people would not fear their day in court, as he obviously did.
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not a dorner fan, but if he really did murder the first 3 (the last 2 kills in big bear are pretty obvious)... i would have cut my losses after being all over the news, escaped to mexico, gotten a job as a cabbie, and continued talking shit online. hell, he might have gotten rich from online donations.
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You're missing a fourth, critical option. The option to stop killing and turn himself in was available to him the entire time. He knew he was backed into a corner and instead of getting his day in court, he chose to be his own judge and jury. That should be pretty telling. Innocent people would not fear their day in court, as he obviously did.
The fourth option was only available if he decided to do that before being caught up in that house. I highly doubt he would have not been shot on site, if they saw any part of him, he was getting shot. Armed or not, the LAPD made up its mind, and that was that he was a dead man.
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You're clearly speculating.
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