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      02-12-2013, 09:02 AM   #23
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Do you know anything about cars? An M6 might stand a chance against a 09 GTR but there is no way it could beat a 2012 and beyond. Not. Even. Close. Either the M6 was modified or the GTR was broken.
Spot on. The new M6 is most definitely a fast car and would walk away from a stock 2009 GTR, but the 2012+ are very quick and I doubt the M6 has enough in it to beat it both in the 1/4 and from a roll.

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+1, to add, insecure GT-R fanbois are even more funny. It's quite entertaining to see them grasp at straws to defend this specific M6 story. They can't seem to get over a M6 could beat the 2012 GT-R in that specifc roll-on street race where 0-60 doesn't mean jack (but no, let's quote it again, again, and again...)

haha.
I dont get what your getting at here, it has nothing to do with what car you own. I own an M3 and love M cars, but realistically in order to walk the GTR like the M6 did in the video it would need to be trapping 130mph+ to put a beating on it as the video portrays (and I HIGHLY doubt the M6 will break 122-123 traps in stock form, aftermarket is a different story). It has nothing to do with him being an "insecure gtr fanboi," its common sense that the race would be CLOSE at best from a roll (based off trap speeds for both cars). I would be hard pressed to believe this video is accurate in any way shape or form. But yet again, anything can happen on the street

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I am not sure what I just watched, but how on earth did an M5 pull 10 car lengths on a stock GT-R. I was expecting it to inch MAYBE slightly once I heard roll race and then read the thread. Maybe the GT-R started in 5th gear or something. The new M5/M6 is very fast but not that fast!

Its not insecure "fanbois". Its making a correction when you are watching something on the internet and dont know all the details.. Id rather be a fanboi with seat experience and know what I am talking about, than someone who rattles off information cause of a youtube video they watched.

If any of you actually believe this video and have an M5 ill run you in my stock 2013 GT-R for some cash. Any takers? My 2013 GT-R is obviously really slow. You have nothing to lose.

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+1, to add, insecure GT-R fanbois are even more funny. It's quite entertaining to see them grasp at straws to defend this specific M6 story. They can't seem to get over a M6 could beat the 2012 GT-R in that specifc roll-on street race where 0-60 doesn't mean jack (but no, let's quote it again, again, and again...)

haha.
Insecurity has nothing to do with it, reality and real world experience does. I have owned every incarnation of the R35 GTR and I have collectively put close to 50,000 miles on them. I would have believed a stock 09-11 GTR would have lost to the new M5/6 but a 2012-2014 model would have beaten the Bimmers handily. The GTRs can consistently run 3 second 0-60s and 7 second 0-100s(I have personally clocked a 2.9 and 6.9 with no rollout using a Racelogic Vbox). Every review I have read has the M5/6 running around 4 seconds to 60 and high 8s to 100.
Plus this video flies in the face of Chris Harris' and Autocars head to head between an M5 and a GTR.
BTW, I'm not some Nissan fanboi. I have owned many BMWs, including an M3, M6, and an X6M.
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Who cares who wins what when why and where?

If you want a comfy but fast GT get an M6, if you want a Fast Coupe that'll rattle your teeth out get a GTR. If you need 4 doors get "insert whatever fast 4 door here".

This is why there are different cars, to cater to different peoples wants and needs. The reality is that they are completely different automobiles. I love the M6 for what it is, and I love the GTR for what it is.
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Went through the discussion at 6post and at the end was "not sure if serious". I just can't believe there are people that take this so seriously :-) Obviously, this was a street race with set rules and GTR lost. The next day, M6 might lose and we will have the same discussion the other way around. Arguing about 0.2 sec is pointless
+1...all these threads end up the same way. Is this the Fast & Furious with money and lives at stake?

It will decimate all, after you put about fifteen grand in it or more and have to overnight parts from Japan
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If any of you actually believe this video and have an M5 ill run you in my stock 2013 GT-R for some cash. Any takers? My 2013 GT-R is obviously really slow. You have nothing to lose.
1. It's an M6 in the vid, not an M5.

2. Don't think anyone in this thread (or any thread) called GT-Rs "really slow".

3. Go to 6post and extend your challenge there to actual M6 owners.

4. Film and post the results here.
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1. It's an M6 in the vid, not an M5.

2. Don't think anyone in this thread (or any thread) called GT-Rs "really slow".

3. Go to 6post and extend your challenge there to actual M6 owners.

4. Film and post the results here.
Good post. A few more.

5. 0-150mph for the 2013 M6: 17.8s

6. 0-150mph for the 2013 GTR: 17.8s.

7. Test notes for the 2013 GTR (paraphrasing): "The GTR has two hot runs in it then slows down".

8. Source for #7: http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...issan-gt-r.pdf
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1. It's an M6 in the vid, not an M5.

2. Don't think anyone in this thread (or any thread) called GT-Rs "really slow".

3. Go to 6post and extend your challenge there to actual M6 owners.

4. Film and post the results here.
+1 film and post the results
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it's really entertaining to see GT-R peeps wahh wahhhhw wahhahah...
LOL GT-r FTL
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Good post. A few more.

5. 0-150mph for the 2013 M6: 17.8s

6. 0-150mph for the 2013 GTR: 17.8s.

7. Test notes for the 2013 GTR (paraphrasing): "The GTR has two hot runs in it then slows down".

8. Source for #7: http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...issan-gt-r.pdf


And it was a good post because????
0-150 times mean what exactly? The GTR is faster all the through a quarter mile yet the video shows that the M6 was pulling from the go. Which is why I question it.
BTW, C&D is probably the worst car rag on the planet.
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Even gtr owners have a hard time understanding that these numbers are achieved with LAUNCH CONTROL. This particular race was done from a ROLL, not a very surprising outcome. The gtr is faster through the quarter mile ONLY because of traction off the line. It's not rocket science.
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this is why I say NO

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this is why I say NO

oh plz that was a convertible and here you go and thats an m5 not even a m6

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FYI the m6 is slightly heavier than the m5, and slightly slower.

So m5 basically is identical in performance to m6

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your BMW fanboyism!
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oh plz that was a convertible and here you go and thats an m5 not even a m6

The Stig driving the Z was having a very bad shifting day

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And it was a good post because????
Because it pointed out - again - that it was an M6 in the video, not the M5. Same day, same track, same conditions, the M6 traps 2mph faster than the M5. It's also faster around a track than the M5, although nowhere near as fast as a GTR on a track.

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0-150 times mean what exactly?
Good indicator of top end acceleration. Simply proves that the M6 is in the same league as the 2012 GTR in a straight line.

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The GTR is faster all the through a quarter mile yet the video shows that the M6 was pulling from the go. Which is why I question it.
BTW, C&D is probably the worst car rag on the planet.
The GTR is only faster because of launch control. Take that away and it's a driver's race. Who knows, maybe the GTR in that video heat soaked the same way Car and Driver's example did.
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FYI the m6 is slightly heavier than the m5, and slightly slower.

So m5 basically is identical in performance to m6

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your BMW fanboyism!
wow just WOW! can u see ? in the video he posted it was m6 convertible racing the Z06! so i showed him how a m5 can run a Z06 with a tune .

FYI m5 weighs 1990 kg and the m6 coupe 1930 kg so please before talking about something get your info right.
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Misread the weights, my mistake. They are very close as you point out.

Earlier you +1 a post that commented that the car in a vid was an m5 not m6. My point is that they perform almost identically.

Gtr is faster

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...pshTxYWli5wpaQ
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The Stig driving the Z was having a very bad shifting day
is that the really best you can come up with? making all kinds of excuses and blaming it on the stig....
facts are facts!
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Good indicator of top end acceleration. Simply proves that the M6 is in the same league as the 2012 GTR in a straight line.
No. It's a good indication of gearing. Most cars are geared to be more performance oriented at lower speeds.



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The GTR is only faster because of launch control. Take that away and it's a driver's race. Who knows, maybe the GTR in that video heat soaked the same way Car and Driver's example did.
No. As I've pointed out repeatedly a GTR is faster even without LC. I have consistently hit mid 3s to 60 and mid 7s to 100 with no launch. An M6 can't hit those even with LC.
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I love and want both cars! Both cars are amazing in their own ways. The technology of the GTR is just amazing. The new M6 brings so much style and luxury as well as perfomance as always. The GTR is a monster of a toy on the street and track and the M6 is a beautiful luxury car for a night on the town. No reason to argue fellas. We are all gear heads and love a beautiful well engineered machine.
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No. It's a good indication of gearing.
It's a better indicator of power-to-weight ratio as both cars are geared to top out well above 150 mph. It also takes most of the effects of traction out of the equation.


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No. As I've pointed out repeatedly a GTR is faster even without LC. I have consistently hit mid 3s to 60 and mid 7s to 100. An M6 can't hit those even withLC.
See above. The GTR is much better at putting down its power at lower speeds. Here's more evidence that the M6 is faster in a rolling race.

The 100 -150 mph split takes 10.6 seconds in the 2013 GTR

The 100 -150 mph split takes 9.3 seconds in the 2013 M6.

So as speeds increase, the edge actually goes to the M6.
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