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      01-30-2013, 05:53 PM   #1
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E90 M3 from Dealer with 307 miles

Hey guys, looking for opinions here.

Looking at the following vehicle purchased at auction by Paul Miller BMW in Jersey. SA states it was a BMWNA performance delivery center car. Question is it has only 307 miles on it, to few to be a track car, could it have been some display car there? Car was placed in service in August 2011

VIN: WBSPM9C5XBE203927
Chassis Number: E203927
Line Make: 01 - BMW
Model Year: 2011
AG Model Code/Desc: PM93 - M3 Sedan
NA Model Code/Desc: 1154 - M3 Sedan
Exterior Color Code: 300 (Alpine White)
Interior Trim Code: NCSW (Black Novillo Leather)
MSRP: $70,925.00
New Vehicle Warranty Info
No Coverage As Of: 08/15/2015
Expiration Mileage: 50,000
DAVIS #: 0
Assist Safety Plan expires: 00/00/0000
Assist Conv. Plan expires: 00/00/0000
TCU ESN / TCU IMEI: 358279024761023 ACTIVE
TCU MIN: XXX-XXX-XXXX
MDN / MSISDN: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Vehicle Production Date: 2011/05
Motor Type: S65
Platform/Engineering Series: E90
Wholesale Center ID/Loc: 30517 - 01
Wholesale Date: 01/17/2013
Retail Center ID/Loc: 00000 - 00
Retail Date: 01/17/2013
In-Service Date: 08/15/2011

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0ZP2 Premium Package 2
01CA CO2 relevant vehicles
01CC Automatic Start/Stop function
02MD M Drive
02MK M Double-clutch Transmission
02VB Tire pressure monitor
0403 Moonroof
0441 Smoker's package
0490 Adjustable seat width/lumbar
0497 Rear center armrest
04AE Adjustable front armrest
0521 Rain sensor and auto headlight
0563 Ambiance lighting
0615 Online Information Services
0616 Online Platform
0676 Hi-fi sound system
0693 Satellite radio preparation
0697 DVD Area coding, North America
06AA BMW TeleServices
06AB TeleService Control
06VC Combox controller
0760 Shadowline exterior trim
07MA Competition package
08SC TeleService Activation
08SP CO2 control
08TL Daytime driving
08TN Daytime driving lights

Thoughts? They are asking $63K which is high but been looking for a replacement since I sold my 2011 E90 last Spring. If this car is Legit might be the closest one to new still out there...
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      01-30-2013, 05:57 PM   #2
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$63K for a 2011????

Negative..dealer needs to drop into reality.
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      01-30-2013, 06:09 PM   #3
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$63K for a 2011????

Negative..dealer needs to drop into reality.
No arguement on the price thay are about $5K too high in my view but the big question is what has this car been doing for the past 2+ years.
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      01-30-2013, 06:12 PM   #4
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No arguement on the price thay are about $5K too high in my view but the big question is what has this car been doing for the past 2+ years.
Yea I hear you..alot more damage results from cars just "sitting" around. For that kind of money why not get into something new?
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      01-30-2013, 07:24 PM   #5
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well at least you know the history of the car and it's still under warranty. car definitely needs to go sub $60k. i would do it for $55k tops but that is just me
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      01-30-2013, 10:26 PM   #6
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yea man, besides the low mileage man, u have to think about it, its still 2 years old and not a brand new car.....i agree with the post above. What has it been doing for the last 2 years or lets say it was a late model 2011, a year and some months......for that much cash u can get a crisp new car, a e92 possibly but im guessing you want the 4 doors.....price is too high in my opinion. gl tho
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      01-30-2013, 11:56 PM   #7
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63K is probably dealer invoice as a brand new car. I would press $56K tops.
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The auction part always scares me. Could be a repo I guess.
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I don't remember any display cars at the performance center. You could try asking the guys at the performace center about it. They have a section on the bimmerfest website that they monitor and respond to.
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since it's an auction car, that means the car likely was traded in or repo'd. The 2 years of dormancy is perplexing. Do you know how many times it has been auctioned?

There's a chance dealers took this car at auction and just sat on it thinking they can get good $ out of it.
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      01-31-2013, 10:37 AM   #11
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Why don't you just pick up the phone and call the dealership to ask what the story is...
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Auctions are not really a bad thing. Many cars that go through an auction are in great condition. Unless you're buying it site unseen or without a PPI I wouldn't worry about that part of it.
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I've bought multiple BMWNA program cars (not dealer, but manufacturer) and they are usually owned by the sales team that travel to dealers. That mileage is insanely low so it's unlikely to be one of those cars. But it may be the right amount to be a year of track duty at the performance center. Think about it - when one picks up a car at the PC, they give you a similar model to run around the PC in. So how many people bought e90s? Then how many sessions did it have on the track?

If that logic holds, what you have is a car that was beat on, prior to break-in period, by various people and then it sat a lot. I'd walk away from this. The mileage is attractive, but I think those were hard miles.

Usually BMW program cars are 11k-15k in mileage BTW. And yes, all are auctioned off. If you're lucky to have one from the GA auction, you'll be first owner on the title/record. If NJ then it will already be titled so you'll be second.
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I suspect that the car was just dealer traded once or twice. I wouldn't worry about it too much, although it's a small red flag - you never know how a used car was broken in... but that is true of one with 100 miles or 100000 miles.

But, it looks like the dealership also punched the warranty on the car in 8/2011.

"New Vehicle Warranty Info
No Coverage As Of: 08/15/2015"

I think they're just holding out for someone stupid... mid high $50s tops, since it's warranty coverage is ticking away.
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I suspect that the car was just dealer traded once or twice. I wouldn't worry about it too much, although it's a small red flag - you never know how a used car was broken in... but that is true of one with 100 miles or 100000 miles.

But, it looks like the dealership also punched the warranty on the car in 8/2011.

"New Vehicle Warranty Info
No Coverage As Of: 08/15/2015"

I think they're just holding out for someone stupid... mid high $50s tops, since it's warranty coverage is ticking away.
No its not a dealer trade it definately is a performance delivery center car per the carfax plus the conversation with the dealer. But most of the track cars down there are several thousand miles before they are cut loose. Look at the 8 or 9 1M's just let go, They all have 6,000 to 9,000 miles. Just strange it really has only that many miles. But yes agree it is prricey and shipping to Seattle would be $2,500 which makes this very unrealistic for me but otherwise looks really good.

Another strange thing is the picture has the regular 19" wheels not the ZCP wheels, and it has ZCP. Dealer said thats how it came and they were going to install a set of new ZCP rims before delivery.
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$63K stock car just seems high. IMO the car should be at around $55Kish
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Assuming this is the same car they paid $54,500 plus auction fees, so I'd say you have some room to negotiate unless they want to hold out.
Date Auction Sale Type Price Odometer Cond Color Eng Trans
01/16/13 NJ Factory $54,500 295 Avg ALPINEWH 8G A
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I wonder if the car was a fleet vehicle which was used/abused at the PCD. If so-walk away...or at most bargain the heck of the dealer.
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Hey guys, looking for opinions here.

Looking at the following vehicle purchased at auction by Paul Miller BMW in Jersey. SA states it was a BMWNA performance delivery center car. Question is it has only 307 miles on it, to few to be a track car, could it have been some display car there? Car was placed in service in August 2011

VIN: WBSPM9C5XBE203927
Chassis Number: E203927
Line Make: 01 - BMW
Model Year: 2011
AG Model Code/Desc: PM93 - M3 Sedan
NA Model Code/Desc: 1154 - M3 Sedan
Exterior Color Code: 300 (Alpine White)
Interior Trim Code: NCSW (Black Novillo Leather)
MSRP: $70,925.00
New Vehicle Warranty Info
No Coverage As Of: 08/15/2015
Expiration Mileage: 50,000
DAVIS #: 0
Assist Safety Plan expires: 00/00/0000
Assist Conv. Plan expires: 00/00/0000
TCU ESN / TCU IMEI: 358279024761023 ACTIVE
TCU MIN: XXX-XXX-XXXX
MDN / MSISDN: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Vehicle Production Date: 2011/05
Motor Type: S65
Platform/Engineering Series: E90
Wholesale Center ID/Loc: 30517 - 01
Wholesale Date: 01/17/2013
Retail Center ID/Loc: 00000 - 00
Retail Date: 01/17/2013
In-Service Date: 08/15/2011

Option Information

Code Description
0ZCP Competition Package
0ZCV Convenience Package
0ZCW Cold Weather Package
0ZP2 Premium Package 2
01CA CO2 relevant vehicles
01CC Automatic Start/Stop function
02MD M Drive
02MK M Double-clutch Transmission
02VB Tire pressure monitor
0403 Moonroof
0441 Smoker's package
0490 Adjustable seat width/lumbar
0497 Rear center armrest
04AE Adjustable front armrest
0521 Rain sensor and auto headlight
0563 Ambiance lighting
0615 Online Information Services
0616 Online Platform
0676 Hi-fi sound system
0693 Satellite radio preparation
0697 DVD Area coding, North America
06AA BMW TeleServices
06AB TeleService Control
06VC Combox controller
0760 Shadowline exterior trim
07MA Competition package
08SC TeleService Activation
08SP CO2 control
08TL Daytime driving
08TN Daytime driving lights

Thoughts? They are asking $63K which is high but been looking for a replacement since I sold my 2011 E90 last Spring. If this car is Legit might be the closest one to new still out there...

I almost bought this car. It has a clear carfax. Its build is 5/2011, and was used as a BMWNA fleet Vehicle.

It is BEAUTIFUL, and FLAWLESS. I drove it last week. It was spectacular.

So why the heck didn't I buy it:

1. I have a 335xi and for the "daily driving" using under 4000rpm I really just didn't feel that much of a difference to justify #2
2. <20mpg highway, <250miles/tank. Gas tank is only 16.1 gallons, same as any other e90
3. I have only driven this on the track, and for the first time on the street I realized that I would probably do something dangerous with that type of power.
4. I still felt a little uncomfortable knowing that in over 1.5 years it had its fluids and tires just sitting. Just seemed weird.


I negotiated a reasonable deal (more so on my trade), but unfortunately it just didn't make sense to me for right now. It also didn't have the advanced premium sound, which alone to me is a dealbreaker - I drive >15,000 miles and the sound compared to the HK was just disappointing. So keep in mind it is NOT advanced premium sound, it's standard.


This is the perfect car. It's basically like getting a new car 10K off MSRP. Interior is impeccable. Its warranty is good until 50K miles, and 8/15 if I'm not mistaken. Unfortunately it is ineligible for CPO since it's a fleet vehicle, although extended warranties are available.


So for me, this was ALMOST the perfect fit. After driving it I realized that it didn't feel any more fun with daily driving than my 335xi (I also have PPK), and I would suffer greatly at the pump in doing so. It basically secured my decision that my next vehicle will either be the F80 M3 (assuming low end torque makes it more fun to drive under daily driving), 550xi, or M5.


If you are seriously looking into an M3, just get it. There's still that little piece of me that was so upset leaving the dealership that day. I still feel like I made the right decision - I still have 60,000 miles on my warranty, and 28mpg highway to enjoy.

Feel free to PM me with any questions of the vehicle, I spent quite some time with it and drove it as well.

And I can tell you right now, they're not budging with price. Fair market value for this vehicle is about 60K, not 63. They also have a 1M coupe w/ 6000 miles at about the same price point.

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just a side note, do a good search
Here we had a red 11 E90 M3 with only about 6000 miles, which isn't too low but still very low.
research found out this car had odometer fraud, busting miles backwards
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