KW S/O kit, Corner Balancing, Alignment and Driving Impressions

ortho281 · 02-08-2013, 12:13 AM

Thought I would post pics of newly installed KW Sleeve over spring kit, Corner balancing with 140 lbs in drivers seat (subtract 10 lbs for my weight, 130 lbs) and re-alignment. The aligment was kept as I had it before Camber-F/R -2.5/-2.0; Toe-F/R .10/.20 degrees; Castor-factory settings

The front was lowered approx 3/8 inch and rear was lowered approx 1/2 inch more than previous Eibach pro-kit springs. The ride IMO is just as comfortable as Eibach springs, except car feels much lower and responsive to steering input. All three modes of the EDC felt distinct and about the same as with Eibach springs.

I will be tracking at Motorsports Ranch in Cresson, TX this weekend and will report back on how the KW S/O kit handles on track. This will be a new track for me so I will most likely not break any track records. HaHa!

I know the diehards will say the Clubsport was the way to go, but I will soon be having to add a baby seat in back and keeping the EDC (comfort mode) then makes more sense. Also with the KW S/O, I get to keep my existing Vorshlag camber plates which I love.

Installation, Corner balancing and Alignment were done by Driver Source in Houston, 281-479-1000

1MOREMOD · 02-08-2013, 12:17 AM

nice. thinking im getting the new swift spec-r to use instead of going full coilovers for now. will allow a little more negative camber once im lower.

ortho281 · 02-08-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

nice. thinking im getting the new swift spec-r to use instead of going full coilovers for now. will allow a little more negative camber once im lower.

Thanks! First time hearing about the swift spec-r. Sleeve-overs also? Any posts on these yet?

1MOREMOD · 02-08-2013, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ortho281

Thanks! First time hearing about the swift spec-r. Sleeve-overs also? Any posts on these yet?

no they are spring only but i have vorshlags already and am trying to avoid spending too much money. rates look decent for working with OEM also. yes their is a post by hpautowerks.

ortho281 · 02-08-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

no they are spring only but i have vorshlags already and am trying to avoid spending too much money. rates look decent for working with OEM also. yes their is a post by hpautowerks.

Cool! I will have to check these out. I have a used set of Eibach Pro-kit springs if you are interested. I installed them last June when I started hitting the tracks.

1MOREMOD · 02-08-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ortho281

Cool! I will have to check these out. I have a used set of Eibach Pro-kit springs if you are interested. I installed them last June when I started hitting the tracks.

okay havent purchased yet but they are a decent introductory price. what i hate about springs is the rear is already low enough in comparison with the front and the drop is always almost the same front to rear. they should be dropping the front an inch and the rear none for my taste.

ortho281 · 02-08-2013, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

okay havent purchased yet but they are a decent introductory price. what i hate about springs is the rear is already low enough in comparison with the front and the drop is always almost the same front to rear. they should be dropping the front an inch and the rear none for my taste.

Actually, for the track it is better to drop front and rear equally. The rake stance causes more weight shift during braking due to more of the rears weight being above the cars hypothetical center of rotation. At least this is what I am being told.

1MOREMOD · 02-08-2013, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ortho281

Actually, for the track it is better to drop front and rear equally. The rake stance causes more weight shift during braking due to more of the rears weight being above the cars hypothetical center of rotation. At least this is what I am being told.

you are correct but i still care about how it looks also sometimes.

ortho281 · 02-08-2013, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

you are correct but i still care about how it looks also sometimes.

I hear ya!

eternallx · 02-08-2013, 02:10 AM

Thanks for posting this up and confirming that the Vorshlag fits KW S/O with no problems.

Your setup for double duty is exactly what I had in mind.

m3p40 · 02-08-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

you are correct but i still care about how it looks also sometimes.

If you get those let me know your impressions. They will be much cheaper then Dinan. I was pretty set on going stg. 1 this spring.

1MOREMOD · 02-08-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by m3p40

If you get those let me know your impressions. They will be much cheaper then Dinan. I was pretty set on going stg. 1 this spring.

will do. doing a little more digging before i pull the trigger. not sure how much more camber i want to go and still drive it on the street some.

KEYON · 02-08-2013, 12:30 PM

Thanks for this! Very interested to see the outcome and your review on them for the track.

ortho281 · 02-08-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eternallx

Thanks for posting this up and confirming that the Vorshlag fits KW S/O with no problems.

Your setup for double duty is exactly what I had in mind.

NP! I am very pleased with the ride on street so far. I may be a tad firmer than Eibachs but still very good.

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Originally Posted by KEYON

Thanks for this! Very interested to see the outcome and your review on them for the track.

I will, heading to MSR Cresson shortly.

Superfly_M3 · 02-08-2013, 02:26 PM

You are 130lbs

... eat some meat dude

Nice setup, let us know how ti works out.

DallasBoosted · 02-08-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ortho281

NP! I am very pleased with the ride on street so far. I may be a tad firmer than Eibachs but still very good.

I will, heading to MSR Cresson shortly.

I'll be there this weekend too, I'll come say hi. Cool install!

ThatGuyMikee · 02-08-2013, 03:41 PM

the springs still have to settle so it will lower a lil more correct?, in the pictures are you the lowest setting in the front? also is the ride "bouncy' at times? also when you got your alignment done did you really need to adjust the camber that muhc?

i ask this because im torn between this setup for my edc or going full coilovers with camber plates and a edc module of some sort

KEYON · 02-08-2013, 06:45 PM

Are you on PSS's by the way?

ortho281 · 02-08-2013, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Superfly_M3

You are 130lbs

... eat some meat dude

Nice setup, let us know how ti works out.

Thanks! Yes, I need to eat more. Ha Ha! I'm only 5' 6"

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Originally Posted by DallasBoosted

I'll be there this weekend too, I'll come say hi. Cool install!

Cool! Looking forward to meeting!

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Originally Posted by ThatGuyMikee

the springs still have to settle so it will lower a lil more correct?, in the pictures are you the lowest setting in the front? also is the ride "bouncy' at times? also when you got your alignment done did you really need to adjust the camber that muhc?

i ask this because im torn between this setup for my edc or going full coilovers with camber plates and a edc module of some sort

The front and rear are a couple turns from min height. Since I was corner balancing they left a couple turns for adjusting balance. No the ride surprisingly is not bouncy. The EDC shocks in comfort mode seems up to the task for these spring rates. I was debating this also, but went with the KW S/O to keep EDC and my camber plates. Camber is adjusted for the track, not really for street because of inside tire wear.

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Originally Posted by KEYON

Are you on PSS's by the way?

Yes, I used the PSS for corner balancing instead of my track tires because they were less worn and almost new.

ThatGuyMikee · 02-09-2013, 10:04 AM

good to know thanks! i think i made my decision

SROC5 · 02-09-2013, 01:11 PM

Congrats! I had the same purpose with the KW S/Os when I put them on my car. Loved them when I had them on the track!

Only thing to be aware of is these will wear out your dampers if you go to the track a lot. I had them on for 30 days and my dampers started to feel the effects. The biggest indicator was during high speed turns going into a front straight, the car would ever so slightly bob more than it used to and have that squishy effect.

andeee05 · 02-09-2013, 06:42 PM

Good post. Debating on testing these as well

02-08-2013, 12:13 AM	#1
ortho281 Captain Drives: 2011 E92 M3 6MT Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 608 iTrader: (0)	KW S/O kit, Corner Balancing, Alignment and Driving Impressions Thought I would post pics of newly installed KW Sleeve over spring kit, Corner balancing with 140 lbs in drivers seat (subtract 10 lbs for my weight, 130 lbs) and re-alignment. The aligment was kept as I had it before Camber-F/R -2.5/-2.0; Toe-F/R .10/.20 degrees; Castor-factory settings The front was lowered approx 3/8 inch and rear was lowered approx 1/2 inch more than previous Eibach pro-kit springs. The ride IMO is just as comfortable as Eibach springs, except car feels much lower and responsive to steering input. All three modes of the EDC felt distinct and about the same as with Eibach springs. I will be tracking at Motorsports Ranch in Cresson, TX this weekend and will report back on how the KW S/O kit handles on track. This will be a new track for me so I will most likely not break any track records. HaHa! I know the diehards will say the Clubsport was the way to go, but I will soon be having to add a baby seat in back and keeping the EDC (comfort mode) then makes more sense. Also with the KW S/O, I get to keep my existing Vorshlag camber plates which I love. Installation, Corner balancing and Alignment were done by Driver Source in Houston, 281-479-1000 Attached Images __________________ Akra Evo / MS stage 2 / MS UDP / VF Tune / KW S/O springs / Vorshlag plates / ST 380/355 BBK / ST SR34 pads / Apex Arc-8 / Nitto NT01 / Schroth Rallye 3 Last edited by ortho281; 02-08-2013 at 02:17 PM.
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eternallx S2ktoM3 Drives: Buying soon Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 47 iTrader: (3)	Thanks for posting this up and confirming that the Vorshlag fits KW S/O with no problems. Your setup for double duty is exactly what I had in mind. __________________ People don't understand people like us

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ThatGuyMikee First Lieutenant Drives: 2008 m3 e90 6spd Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Staten island Posts: 323 iTrader: (2)	the springs still have to settle so it will lower a lil more correct?, in the pictures are you the lowest setting in the front? also is the ride "bouncy' at times? also when you got your alignment done did you really need to adjust the camber that muhc? i ask this because im torn between this setup for my edc or going full coilovers with camber plates and a edc module of some sort __________________ Originally Posted by onebadmofo Some people buy cars to look at them and call them their babies, but not me. This car is my bitch and I bought it to drive it.

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Superfly_M3 Captain Drives: 2011 M3 Sedan Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 885 iTrader: (0)	You are 130lbs ... eat some meat dude Nice setup, let us know how ti works out.

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ThatGuyMikee First Lieutenant Drives: 2008 m3 e90 6spd Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Staten island Posts: 323 iTrader: (2)	good to know thanks! i think i made my decision __________________ Originally Posted by onebadmofo Some people buy cars to look at them and call them their babies, but not me. This car is my bitch and I bought it to drive it.

02-09-2013, 01:11 PM	#21
SROC5 Addicted to Track Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USCON Posts: 1,310 iTrader: (3)	Congrats! I had the same purpose with the KW S/Os when I put them on my car. Loved them when I had them on the track! Only thing to be aware of is these will wear out your dampers if you go to the track a lot. I had them on for 30 days and my dampers started to feel the effects. The biggest indicator was during high speed turns going into a front straight, the car would ever so slightly bob more than it used to and have that squishy effect. __________________ ZCP E92 M3 \| Akrapovic Evo \| ESSi \| Swift Spec-R \| APEX ARC-8 \| RS-3 \| PFC-08 \| MS Filter \| MS Spacers \|

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