KW CS installed - Eibach vs KW CS

biggynuts01 · 02-02-2013, 07:38 PM

Before with Eibachs:

biggynuts01 · 02-02-2013, 07:39 PM

With KW CS

m3p40 · 02-02-2013, 07:42 PM

Stance looks sick.

Is the performance upgrade as crazy as everyone says?

w00tw00t · 02-02-2013, 07:51 PM

Nice but its funny. Did you just buy these for looks and lowering?

biggynuts01 · 02-02-2013, 07:52 PM

Thanks to Baan Velgen and MRF Engineering!

Review:

Malek did an amazing job installing and aligning the KW CS. The front is about a one skinny finger gap and the rear is tire is tucked about a centimeter.

Comfort:
These feel like the Eibachs, maybe a tad bit stiffer. I'm not sure what setting Malek put the bound and rebound to, but I just told him to work his magic and It will be primarily a street car.

I was hesitant to buy this suspension because of some of the threads I have read about it being stiff and for track only. People have told me to go JRZ, TCK or MCS if i want a streetable comfort level.

I have to say, these are awesome. They absorb fast bumps just as well as stock and over slow/large bumps its feels like its on rails. It follows the bump smoothly. Whereas the stock and eibach set up would be floaty.

From what I hear about the JRZ's, these feel the same. Or atleast I would have the same description.

Weight:
I thought the KW CS would be heavier since they are inox stainless steel. They box they came in said they weighed ~ 45lbs from USPS.

Malek packed my Eibach and OEM struts in to a KW CS box for me to use if I ever need a back up. After lifting these out of the trunk, I noticed that they were much heavier than the KW CS setup. They feel about 10lbs heavier than the KW CS. I think the major weight savings is in the coils. From what I have heard, Eibachs are Hi Ten steel (very heavy) and KW CS are light Alloy.

Handling:

I have only put ~ 100 miles on them so far but it feels super flat now. Braking feels better - less rear to front weight transfer. These feel really stiff when you need them yet supple when you are cruising. In fact, when I drive into my driveway, it feels so stiff that one wheel seems to lift off the ground when i enter the ramp sideways.

biggynuts01 · 02-02-2013, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w00tw00t

Nice but its funny. Did you just buy these for looks and lowering?

Yes im a poser. I admit it. I have never been to the track. However, I am changing my ways and I will be attending my first track event this month at california speedway. Some of my buddies are track junkies and are trying to get me hooked.

2000gsr · 02-02-2013, 07:56 PM

How much did the front and rear actually drop? I'm assuming you are on max height on the rears. Stance looks wicked!

biggynuts01 · 02-02-2013, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000gsr

How much did the front and rear actually drop? I'm assuming you are on max height on the rears. Stance looks wicked!

I think the front is a one inch drop and the rears are 1/2inch from max height.

Thanks for the complement!

2000gsr · 02-02-2013, 08:08 PM

No problem, this post has pushed me even closer to pulling the trigger on these!

biggynuts01 · 02-02-2013, 08:11 PM

Another thing to note is that I clear ramps and bumps easier. Since the springs are stiff my chin doesnt dip at all like the oem suspension.

w00tw00t · 02-02-2013, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggynuts01

Quote:

Originally Posted by w00tw00t

Nice but its funny. Did you just buy these for looks and lowering?

Yes im a poser. I admit it. I have never been to the track. However, I am changing my ways and I will be attending my first track event this month at california speedway. Some of my buddies are track junkies and are trying to get me hooked.

Once you get hooked on, you will wonder why you waited so long.

ms372 · 02-02-2013, 09:17 PM

looks good !

sensi09 · 02-03-2013, 12:05 AM

Looks good, but if you're mainly after looks, then how did you decide on the clubsports?

REDBULL · 02-03-2013, 12:48 AM

looks awesome man! just got my clubsports in as well (i also have a space grey M3 but silver comp wheels). will be puttin up pictures next week after install. what setting are your clubsports? i am also going to put 12mm spacers from 10mm rear

bobs619 · 02-03-2013, 02:16 AM

Looks good. Plan on running spacers?

Bmw135er · 02-03-2013, 07:19 AM

Looks great, except for the Prius in the background!

biggynuts01 · 02-03-2013, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bmw135er

Looks great, except for the Prius in the background!

I love that piece of $hit!

Malek · 02-03-2013, 04:28 PM

Steven,

I am glad you are enjoying and gradually warming up the KW Clubsports. They are amazing suspension pieces and defintely worth every penny. It absolutely transforms the car. As you get more seat time with the car, this will become more evident.

Malek

2000gsr · 02-05-2013, 10:52 AM

Do you remember the settings you used?

biggynuts01 · 02-05-2013, 11:05 AM

I have been tinkering with the settings a bit. At first it was 8/9rebound and 5/4bump

It rodes really well and turn in was sharp. However, It got a little to stiff at times driving down the 405 fwy near LAX. That fwy strip is really bumpy.

So, I backed it off to 6/9 Rebound and 6/6 bump and it feels just like my eibachs. Slightly stiffer than OEM but 10x the control. No more floatiness on bumps.

2000gsr · 02-07-2013, 04:48 PM

So you are at kw recommended settings right now. What are your camber settings at?

THE TECH · 02-07-2013, 04:51 PM

Looks good.

02-02-2013, 07:38 PM	#1
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02-02-2013, 07:51 PM	#4
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02-02-2013, 07:52 PM	#5
biggynuts01 Captain Drives: E92 M3 SG coupe Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 677 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 Porsche Cayman S [0.00] 2008 BMW E92 M3 [4.75]	Thanks to Baan Velgen and MRF Engineering! Review: Malek did an amazing job installing and aligning the KW CS. The front is about a one skinny finger gap and the rear is tire is tucked about a centimeter. Comfort: These feel like the Eibachs, maybe a tad bit stiffer. I'm not sure what setting Malek put the bound and rebound to, but I just told him to work his magic and It will be primarily a street car. I was hesitant to buy this suspension because of some of the threads I have read about it being stiff and for track only. People have told me to go JRZ, TCK or MCS if i want a streetable comfort level. I have to say, these are awesome. They absorb fast bumps just as well as stock and over slow/large bumps its feels like its on rails. It follows the bump smoothly. Whereas the stock and eibach set up would be floaty. From what I hear about the JRZ's, these feel the same. Or atleast I would have the same description. Weight: I thought the KW CS would be heavier since they are inox stainless steel. They box they came in said they weighed ~ 45lbs from USPS. Malek packed my Eibach and OEM struts in to a KW CS box for me to use if I ever need a back up. After lifting these out of the trunk, I noticed that they were much heavier than the KW CS setup. They feel about 10lbs heavier than the KW CS. I think the major weight savings is in the coils. From what I have heard, Eibachs are Hi Ten steel (very heavy) and KW CS are light Alloy. Handling: I have only put ~ 100 miles on them so far but it feels super flat now. Braking feels better - less rear to front weight transfer. These feel really stiff when you need them yet supple when you are cruising. In fact, when I drive into my driveway, it feels so stiff that one wheel seems to lift off the ground when i enter the ramp sideways. __________________ 2013 X3 XDrive28i - Stock 2008 E92 M3 SG DCT Extended - AA Filter, JL Audio 600/6, CDT Audio, Verstraβe Paddles, ECS SS, BMW Performance Spoiler, MH race studs, BMW GTS wheels, Stoptech ST, AP CF Intake pipe, MS Pulleys, Eibach, MR Exhaust, BPM Tune, LTBMW 1M Bumper, MotoGP Lip, Euro MDM, LCI's , KW CS, TMS Soild Diff Mounts. 2008 Porsche CS - GT3 kit, Sprintbooster (SOLD)

02-02-2013, 07:56 PM	#7
2000gsr First Lieutenant Drives: 2008 E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 346 iTrader: (0)	How much did the front and rear actually drop? I'm assuming you are on max height on the rears. Stance looks wicked! __________________

02-02-2013, 07:42 PM	#3
m3p40 Private Drives: M3 E92 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NY Posts: 77 iTrader: (0)	Stance looks sick. Is the performance upgrade as crazy as everyone says?

02-02-2013, 08:08 PM	#9
2000gsr First Lieutenant Drives: 2008 E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 346 iTrader: (0)	No problem, this post has pushed me even closer to pulling the trigger on these! __________________

02-02-2013, 08:11 PM	#10
biggynuts01 Captain Drives: E92 M3 SG coupe Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 677 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 Porsche Cayman S [0.00] 2008 BMW E92 M3 [4.75]	Another thing to note is that I clear ramps and bumps easier. Since the springs are stiff my chin doesnt dip at all like the oem suspension. __________________ 2013 X3 XDrive28i - Stock 2008 E92 M3 SG DCT Extended - AA Filter, JL Audio 600/6, CDT Audio, Verstraβe Paddles, ECS SS, BMW Performance Spoiler, MH race studs, BMW GTS wheels, Stoptech ST, AP CF Intake pipe, MS Pulleys, Eibach, MR Exhaust, BPM Tune, LTBMW 1M Bumper, MotoGP Lip, Euro MDM, LCI's , KW CS, TMS Soild Diff Mounts. 2008 Porsche CS - GT3 kit, Sprintbooster (SOLD)

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02-03-2013, 12:05 AM	#13
sensi09 Major Drives: . Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: socal Posts: 1,494 iTrader: (1)	Looks good, but if you're mainly after looks, then how did you decide on the clubsports?

02-03-2013, 12:48 AM	#14
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02-03-2013, 02:16 AM	#15
bobs619 Private First Class Drives: 2011 AW E92 M3 ZCP Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 165 iTrader: (0)	Looks good. Plan on running spacers?

02-03-2013, 07:19 AM	#16
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02-03-2013, 04:28 PM	#18
Malek Colonel Drives: E92 ZCP Melbourne 6MT Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Irvine, California Posts: 2,809 iTrader: (5)	Steven, I am glad you are enjoying and gradually warming up the KW Clubsports. They are amazing suspension pieces and defintely worth every penny. It absolutely transforms the car. As you get more seat time with the car, this will become more evident. Malek

02-05-2013, 10:52 AM	#19
2000gsr First Lieutenant Drives: 2008 E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 346 iTrader: (0)	Do you remember the settings you used? __________________

02-05-2013, 11:05 AM	#20
biggynuts01 Captain Drives: E92 M3 SG coupe Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 677 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 Porsche Cayman S [0.00] 2008 BMW E92 M3 [4.75]	I have been tinkering with the settings a bit. At first it was 8/9rebound and 5/4bump It rodes really well and turn in was sharp. However, It got a little to stiff at times driving down the 405 fwy near LAX. That fwy strip is really bumpy. So, I backed it off to 6/9 Rebound and 6/6 bump and it feels just like my eibachs. Slightly stiffer than OEM but 10x the control. No more floatiness on bumps. __________________ 2013 X3 XDrive28i - Stock 2008 E92 M3 SG DCT Extended - AA Filter, JL Audio 600/6, CDT Audio, Verstraβe Paddles, ECS SS, BMW Performance Spoiler, MH race studs, BMW GTS wheels, Stoptech ST, AP CF Intake pipe, MS Pulleys, Eibach, MR Exhaust, BPM Tune, LTBMW 1M Bumper, MotoGP Lip, Euro MDM, LCI's , KW CS, TMS Soild Diff Mounts. 2008 Porsche CS - GT3 kit, Sprintbooster (SOLD)

02-07-2013, 04:48 PM	#21
2000gsr First Lieutenant Drives: 2008 E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 346 iTrader: (0)	So you are at kw recommended settings right now. What are your camber settings at? __________________

02-07-2013, 04:51 PM	#22
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