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      01-28-2013, 11:04 PM   #89
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      01-28-2013, 11:18 PM   #90
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not enough.
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      01-28-2013, 11:19 PM   #91
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-4.4 front and-3.0 rear (E46 M3)
-2.6 front and-2.0 rear (E92 M3)
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      01-28-2013, 11:34 PM   #92
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what is max at the rear on e9x?
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      01-29-2013, 06:42 AM   #93
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I'm at 2.5 fr and factory spec for rear camber. Loved it! Although the rears on the outside edge took a beating.
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      01-31-2013, 12:01 PM   #94
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These sheets are from when I knocked the alignment out on the stock set up. The original dealer aligned me to 335 specs, which are different. Another dealer faxed me the specs shown on this sheet. When I had the Eibachs added, the new specs lined up with these specs limits - they didn't even comment that the car had been dropped a little. The car has been aligned twice since the install - once immediately afterwards, and again after I hit a kerb hard during a track day and knocked the alignment out slightly enough to be irritating. I don't have the before/after spec sheet any more
I had Eibach Pro-Kit for E93 M3 and they did the factory spec, however it wear out my front tire in side pretty fast, does your do the same thing? or you have different kits then me?
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      01-31-2013, 10:16 PM   #95
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I had Eibach Pro-Kit for E93 M3 and they did the factory spec, however it wear out my front tire in side pretty fast, does your do the same thing? or you have different kits then me?
factory spec should wear out the outside edge faster if you ever turn.
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      02-01-2013, 04:00 PM   #96
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I was advised to keep rear camber within ~0.5 degrees of front to keep it balanced, hence -2.6 Fr and -2.0 R for me, which was about all we could get in the rear.
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      02-13-2013, 10:22 AM   #97
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      02-13-2013, 11:42 PM   #98
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I'm at 2.5 fr and factory spec for rear camber. Loved it! Although the rears on the outside edge took a beating.
was thinking of going more front and rear. any suggestions. most street driving involves getting to and from the track. was thinking 3ish front and 2.2-2.3 rear? sound reasonable?
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      02-21-2013, 07:08 AM   #99
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I had Eibach Pro-Kit for E93 M3 and they did the factory spec, however it wear out my front tire in side pretty fast, does your do the same thing? or you have different kits then me?
I run Conti DW tires (265/35/18 fr, 285/35/18 r) on the street, so the rate of wear is less noticeable, with rears wearing about twice as fast as the fronts. On the track (275/35/18 sq), the outside of my fronts is getting wrecked. I am having camber plates installed for next season
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      03-01-2013, 07:02 PM   #100
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Before: 2011 E92 M3 with GC camber plates--

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Camber:
Front: -3 left, -3.1 right
Rear: -1.9 left, -1.9 right

Toe:
Front: .12 left, .11 right
Rear: .11 left, .14 right
Now: 2013 E92 M3 OEM, with pins pulled--

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Front: -1.42 left, -1.49 right
Rear: -1.65 left, -1.70 right

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Front 0.02 left, 0.02 right
Rear: 0.06 left, 0.06 right

I wish I knew what was different in the rear of the 2013 to account for 0.2 of difference. Both cars were maxed in the rear.
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      03-11-2013, 03:16 PM   #101
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Just dropped off my stock E90 ZCP and I'm eating lunch while Speedware Motorsports gets to work. Sounds like with pins out they're getting -1.2 to -1.6 front typically. I'll update when done.
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      03-11-2013, 03:44 PM   #102
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Just dropped off my stock E90 ZCP and I'm eating lunch while Speedware Motorsports gets to work. Sounds like with pins out they're getting -1.2 to -1.6 front typically. I'll update when done.
Doing that after your track day? I bet your fronts look like hell. I know mine did and I had Speedware do this before, LOL.
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      03-11-2013, 06:28 PM   #103
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Doing that after your track day? I bet your fronts look like hell. I know mine did and I had Speedware do this before, LOL.
Well as you know I'm the second owner and it turns out the prior owner already had pins pulled and camber maxed. Speedware cleaned up my toe but really they didn't have to do much to the camber.

Front
Camber -1.5 L/R
Toe 0 L/R
Caster 7.17/7.31 L/R

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Camber -1.8 L/R
Toe 0.09 L/R


I was wondering how my outside shoulders didn't get destroyed at my first track day at that explains it. That and I'm just so smooth . I'll be at Pacific Raceways this sunday if you want to come out!
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      03-28-2013, 09:11 PM   #104
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I had a Ohlins TTX on my set up right now.
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      03-29-2013, 05:08 PM   #105
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Went from

Front
Camber -2.2
Toe 0

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Camber -1.8
Toe in .20

To the following. It drives much better on the freeway but it took a lot life out of the cornering.
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      03-31-2013, 09:59 PM   #106
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Camber -2.2
Toe 0

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Toe in .20

To the following. It drives much better on the freeway but it took a lot life out of the cornering.
Nothing matches.
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      06-26-2013, 07:36 PM   #107
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KW sleeve POST alignment

Just got my KW sleeves put on - im at 3/4's of the way down, believe that equates to 1.5" drop in the front and 1" in the rear.

Here are my post alignment specs - what do you guys think?
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      06-26-2013, 08:53 PM   #108
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Camber, Front Left, Front Right: -2.3
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      06-28-2013, 10:48 AM   #109
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^ What are your thoughts on that setup?
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      07-04-2013, 07:27 PM   #110
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Guys, when comparing set ups it makes sense to specify if you are running stock or staggered tire set up, what tires, and how much street driving the car sees.

Case in point - I switched from AD08 to PSS, PSS need more camber front and rear. Also, square set up would warrant closer front and rear camber settings, while stagger similar to factory seems to work better with close to 1' of difference (e.g, -2.6' and -1.6' worked well for me on staggered AD08, but if I were not doing as much street driving, I'd add another -.1' or -.2' to both)
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