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      01-13-2013, 12:50 PM   #45
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      01-13-2013, 12:59 PM   #46
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I thought the S65 won it 5 years in a row: 2008-2012 ?

Great pics OP.
I checked. Yes, it did win 5 years in a row.

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... For the fifth time in a row, the V8 engine of the BMW M3 high-performance sports car provides the measure of all things in the 3.0-litre to 4.0-litre displacement class. Bolstering the undiminished appeal of the 4.0-litre naturally aspirated engine are its hallmark M high-revving concept, peak output of 309 kW/420 hp and outstanding thrust.

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      01-13-2013, 01:01 PM   #47
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I checked. Yes, it did win 5 years in a row.

S65
... For the fifth time in a row, the V8 engine of the BMW M3 high-performance sports car provides the measure of all things in the 3.0-litre to 4.0-litre displacement class. Bolstering the undiminished appeal of the 4.0-litre naturally aspirated engine are its hallmark M high-revving concept, peak output of 309 kW/420 hp and outstanding thrust.

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yep i thought so also. its an amazing piece and these pictures prove it as well as the driving experience.
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      01-13-2013, 01:10 PM   #48
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Very cool! Thank you for sharing.
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      01-13-2013, 01:33 PM   #49
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Anyone know the duration/lift of the stock cams?
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      01-13-2013, 01:37 PM   #50
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      01-13-2013, 02:17 PM   #51
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      01-13-2013, 02:28 PM   #52
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The older M engines were also derivatives of the engines found in the series car. The mighty S62 found in the E39 M5 was based on the M62 series motor and then tweaked by ///M, and then later became the basis for race motors.
The current M motors still have individual throttle bodies.

I think the key is that the series motor are now producing so much power, they don't need to tweak as much to get to there power and reliability targets, as too much power would upset the targeted driving dynamics there are looking for.

Actually no longer to M engines or any bmw engines get invididual throttle bodies. The m5 and m6 get valvetronic which is a new tech but gone are the ITB with the s65 engine.

Also the s62 was not a gently reworked n62 engine. It took the engine and significantly overhauled it with different cams, head design, ITB's and a ton of other stuff. Compared to the reworked M engines of today are not a heck of a lot different than the non-m counterparts.
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It just pains me to see these beautiful pictures and it reminds me at how M engines are simply no longer works of art, crafted to the highest specs and to the maximum performance per liter by using "racing" technology such as ITB, high redline power delivery etc.

The S65 v8 and the s85 v10 are the two best engines bmw has ever produced in terms of technology, innovation and torque/power delivery. Especially the 65 which has THE flattest and most broad torque curve I have ever seen

Simply a well-engineered masterpiece with specs to pull out 104hp/litre naturally aspirated which is absolutely amazing.

The engines in the M cars now are found in all the M's in the line up right now practically and are derivatives of the regular 4.4l v8 turbo in non-m cars.

The technology is just so lacking compared to when they did naturally aspirated they had to really push the envelope to get more power out of the engine. It made the engine high strung which most of us love.

Even the headers-I have never seen a stock OEM car come with that good of quality of headers with no room for improvement. Also the absolutely brilliantly designed air-intake (not on the pics obviously) but it is a true engineering marvel.

I just think there will never be another M car that had the high level of technology precision, innovation or cutting edge racing tech

Turbo's make power so easily that you need limited tech. Not to say the M engines are not great but they did not even make wards ten best this year. The s85 and s65 won it 4 years in a row.

Anyway, brilliant engine, makes brilliant noise and performs better than anything short of a ferrari or supercar territory

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This is the end of an era, an era that I'm not sure I'm ready to leave yet. This engine truly is one of the all time greatest ever.
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Ironically, with this came extreme simplicity. I have had the S65 apart a few times, and one of those times was just to see the works. Beautifully simple.





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Extremely complex and technologically advanced engines with high build quality and materials produced for single applications.

A remnant of an economy that has ceased to exist.
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No doubt an impressive piece of engineering, but significantly inferior to modern forced induction engines in low-end torque and fuel efficiency. Would anyone really prefer this one to the turbo I6 that BMW will now use in the M3/M4?

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Yes the S62 was derived from the M62 much in the same way as the S50B30 was derived from M50. Although in US, the S50 did not receive the crucial "top end" advancements which the S62 did to separate it from the M52.

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Actually no longer to M engines or any bmw engines get invididual throttle bodies. The m5 and m6 get valvetronic which is a new tech but gone are the ITB with the s65 engine.

Also the s62 was not a gently reworked n62 engine. It took the engine and significantly overhauled it with different cams, head design, ITB's and a ton of other stuff. Compared to the reworked M engines of today are not a heck of a lot different than the non-m counterparts.
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If the realization that this masterpiece [s65] will soon disappear, doesn't make you even a little emotional, then you've likely never spent any time with her.
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Inferior? Because twin turbo technology allows plenty of low end torque? Ok.


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No doubt an impressive piece of engineering, but significantly inferior to modern forced induction engines in low-end torque and fuel efficiency. Would anyone really prefer this one to the turbo V6 that BMW will now use in the M3/M4?
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No doubt an impressive piece of engineering, but significantly inferior to modern forced induction engines in low-end torque and fuel efficiency. Would anyone really prefer this one to the turbo V6 that BMW will now use in the M3/M4?
Inferior??? I would say the s65 is superior because its able to make so much power in an NA configuration. I prefer this engine over any FI setup. Plus its common knowledge that FI engines dont last as long as NA engines

FYI BMW doesn't produce engines in a V6 configuration
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Inferior??? I would say the s65 is superior because its able to make so much power in an NA configuration. I prefer this engine over any FI setup. Plus its common knowledge that FI engines dont last as long as NA engines

FYI BMW doesn't produce engines in a V6 configuration
I meant I6 - too used to typing V6!

Haven't heard of longevity issues with forced induction BMW or Audi engines. Direct injection has caused problems, but that's unrelated to FI.

After driving a turbo BMW and supercharged Audi, there's no way I'm going back to NA! FI is more fun on public roads, and I don't go to the racetrack.
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