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      01-09-2013, 05:06 PM   #23
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Ticket quotas exist...unofficially. It's all how you interpret the meaning of "quota" and how the various agencies choose to skirt around the issue.

What is the purpose of a motorcycle based LEO unit? Ticket writing! What do you think happens when the motorcycle LEO writes 25% less tickets than the precinct/station average? They get counseled by their superior initially, and eventually put on an official "performance improvement plan". Is it a quota...no...but it may as well be the way its done. Motorcycle cops are like red light cameras, their only purpose is revenue generation and has nothing to do with public safety.

There was a case 10+ years ago in LA County where a motorcycle sheriffs deputy farmed out on contract to one of the smaller desert cities...successfully sued in state court with his union backing him over job discrimination, lost wages etc because he refused an "illegal order" to write a specific amount of tickets. He was facing disciplinary action because his #'s were significantly off from a couple of his peers based on the same beat.

I think the expectation was that he write 350 to 400 tickets a month from what I recall...he chose to write non revenue generating warnings, and had a rate of around 200 revenue tickets a month. What got him a multi-million dollar wrongful termination payout was that the commanding officer of the sub-station had a public outburst yelling "you'll write x number of F'n tickets or else" to which the LEO said, I refuse this "illegal order" and called his union rep. Some ugly things came out in the case...records showed the city was pressuring the substation commander to generate ticket revenue for the city by threatening the overall policing contract. The LEO probably truly was lazy and chose to pick a fight when he was a few years away from retirement.

...moral of the story, tickets are about revenue and are just another form of taxation. If it was about public safety the tickets would be "official warnings" and get reported to DMV as infractions against driving record for insurance purposes & overall licensing.

Do we see ticketing surges, absolutely...and they are almost always motivated by revenue pressures.
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      01-09-2013, 05:17 PM   #24
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found a mention of it!

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DEPUTY...AS.-a079094384

...mixed up some of the details, but this was the case. Gonna see if I can dig up an article that mentions the outcome.
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      01-09-2013, 05:27 PM   #25
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here is another unrelated one...amazing what google digs up

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr...uotas-20110412
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      01-09-2013, 05:36 PM   #26
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Thanks for the tip. I remember back in late July or August there was a similar period where they were out in force and pulling people over left, right, and center. My guess is that there are quarterly quotas for tickets - it's generally viewed as bitch work by most police and thus left to the last minute - hence the almost seasonal nature of the "surge."

But who knows, it could be a budgetary thing.
My bad - it was end of Sept. I started a similar thread:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=750898

I'm telling you, seasonal.
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      01-09-2013, 05:38 PM   #27
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Its been like that for yrs ! Couple weeks ago, i got pull over on I-5 heading SD ~ i was going 75mph and my radar picked up Ka band signal so I slow down to 65mph, CHP saw me pass by with bunch of crazy truck going 80+ ~ He pull me over ... insist that i was speeding over 90+ .... and he also wrote me window tint no front plate etc ... ask him to show me his speed gun reading he refuse to show ... simply told him see my lawer in court ~
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yeah Cops everywhere today. I drove from SD up through OC on 5/405 and then back to SD on 5 and the most cops I have ever seen on those roads and I travel it all the time.
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After a long day at work near LAX a couple weeks ago, I found I had a no-front-plate ticket. Car had been parked in my company's lot the whole day. One of my coworkers got a ticket as well. I've been parking there without a plate for two years......
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      01-09-2013, 09:58 PM   #30
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+1 OP describes 3 people he knows getting a ticket and all of suddent it means that the police are out in force???
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For real... Sounds pretty normal to me..
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These tickets were written in neighborhoods that do not normally get any police attention.

You guys are funny, never said cops all of the sudden started writing tickets, of
course they write tickets all the time. Thank you captain obvious!

The thread was started as a heads up, so leave yours up your ass and get a ticket, doesn't bother me
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Ticket quotas exist...
Do we see ticketing surges, absolutely...and they are almost always motivated by revenue pressures.
Awesome post. Thanks for the info, now I want to do some research too! Love me some google. Did you ever find out what happened in the end?

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The thread was started as a heads up, so leave yours up your ass and get a ticket, doesn't bother me
LOL!

We have a lot of cameras placed in various locations here so when we are going to work, if one of us sees one, a mass text goes out as a heads up. There is a sweet program though, waze, that helps with traffic, cops, cameras, construction, accidents, ect. Its pretty cool and works through BT just fine. If you plug in the route youre going, it lets you know if anything is there at that moment and also updates in realtime. Pretty cool because it works in Europe also.
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      01-10-2013, 04:27 AM   #32
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After a long day at work near LAX a couple weeks ago, I found I had a no-front-plate ticket. Car had been parked in my company's lot the whole day. One of my coworkers got a ticket as well. I've been parking there without a plate for two years......

The cops around LAX are being more strict. Just the other day I drove out of my garage and drove down the block and got pulled over and ticketed for tint and no front plate.

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After a long day at work near LAX a couple weeks ago, I found I had a no-front-plate ticket. Car had been parked in my company's lot the whole day. One of my coworkers got a ticket as well. I've been parking there without a plate for two years......
If this is a private lot, then that's illegal.
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These tickets were written in neighborhoods that do not normally get any police attention.

You guys are funny, never said cops all of the sudden started writing tickets, of
course they write tickets all the time. Thank you captain obvious!

The thread was started as a heads up, so leave yours up your ass and get a ticket, doesn't bother me
Interesting response to something that happens 24-7 all over the country
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      01-10-2013, 01:25 PM   #35
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Interesting response to something that happens 24-7 all over the country
another M3 post troll imagine that.
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They're everywhere...even on my bookshelf:

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They're everywhere...even on my bookshelf:

oh no, not for the mirror tints. I thought they were legal now Sir.
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That's awesome.

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another M3 post troll imagine that.
Hey heads up everyone, I saw a cop giving someone a ticket today..Has martial law been declared?
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+1 OP describes 3 people he knows getting a ticket and all of suddent it means that the police are out in force???
Sounds like a good sample size to me lol!
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Sounds like a good sample size to me lol!
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um, is this new news or something ? CA po-po has been ticketing like it's going out of style since the dawn of time...
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Pulled over twice in the last week for fix-it tickets alone– I hate this state sometimes. Too many bored cops sitting around not doing anything.

Bankrupt state? I've got just the place to free up some funds.
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Yup same thing happened to me too! I was parked in a parking garage in the 3rd street promenade in Santa Monica.

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Same here, I got a no front plate ticket while parked in front of my house within 30 minutes.
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