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      01-10-2013, 10:40 AM   #243
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Wow! Sounds like you just described my marriage: one does all the work and other one just enjoys it but does not even appreciates... Looks like we both made same mistake
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Same here, i cooked, i cleaned, i folded the clothes and paid for her education.... fuck i even paid for her fucktards friends wedding dress...and her fucktards kids xmass gifts!

And sure no man is perfect but dont' listen to that life time shit...no woman is perfect either. But good luck arguing that point...note not a single woman has said a fucking word in this thread! Why? Simple in their mind no matter how good the dude....shit you could give her a kidny and chew her food for her...and it's still your fault..in one way some way somehow it's your fault.


And that fucking pisses me off! My x wife cheated on me...point blank the cunt cheated no me. You think other women would look down on her...ha ha FUCK and NO! My favorite line thus far has been "I'm sure you did something wrong for her to cheat on you." If that sentence does not hurt your head....you are seriously fucked up. It's like saying "Girl, if you weren't such a slut you wouldn't get raped!" And what really makes you want to drop kick puppies into wood chippers....is when guys trying to appease pussy say it...really bro...really? WTF!

It's shit like that which started me to look at the ground at 125mph and thinking...hey how bad can it be?
I can't imagine how bad it would be if I had kids...fucking A that would be a head down dive into the ground from 14kft!

So, for all of you who are getting this shit sandwich from people, please don't get down on your self...ok?

Women are crazy and those fucktards who are just kissing up to them are just pathetic!
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Damn, makes you wonder if you can't win with women.
Should you treat them as objects to be controlled and ordered about, equals, or are you the one being played?
Can't win, can you not lose?
If you control her, and she is happy with it, is that ok?
If she is a whore and you are unknowingly happy with it, is that good?
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      01-10-2013, 12:06 PM   #245
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Same here, i cooked, i cleaned, i folded the clothes and paid for her education.... fuck i even paid for her fucktards friends wedding dress...and her fucktards kids xmass gifts!

And sure no man is perfect but dont' listen to that life time shit...no woman is perfect either. But good luck arguing that point...note not a single woman has said a fucking word in this thread! Why? Simple in their mind no matter how good the dude....shit you could give her a kidny and chew her food for her...and it's still your fault..in one way some way somehow it's your fault.
LOL- we should all hang out :P

Ditto on paying for her education, not to mention taking her on a year long trip around the world. She had a very low paying job for her education level, too (more education than me, making 1/3 as much). It was always frustrating because it basically made me less able to take risks in my career, and essentially required me to spend many more years of my life in an office. If she made more, we could retire sooner and have more recreation and travel opportunities. Towards the end she said money wasn't important and she intended to work forever, and my problem with her career choices was just that I was jealous she liked her job more than I liked mine. Well...wouldn't you know it...as soon as she's on her own, a decent paying job with retirement benefits and getting all the retirement money she could get from me suddenly became very high priorities for her. If only she realized all along she would be responsible for her own future one way or another there would've been less resentment. So glad I got out of the alimony! She quit her job for a while during the negotiations to stick me with all the bills though and to try to get more out of me.

She was living with her parents for a while and just got her own place. Unless she can find some other schmuck to take care of her, it's going to be a rude awakening for her when she realizes how much effort it takes to take care of the little things she took for granted before.

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And that fucking pisses me off! My x wife cheated on me...point blank the cunt cheated no me. You think other women would look down on her...ha ha FUCK and NO! My favorite line thus far has been "I'm sure you did something wrong for her to cheat on you." If that sentence does not hurt your head....you are seriously fucked up. ...
We DID do something wrong: we gave them all we could without setting boundaries on what is and is not acceptable behavior in the relationship, which made them lose respect for us. Next relationship, be just as giving, but make your needs clear and if she isn't willing to do her part, kick her to the curb. Pick a girl based on what she is, not what you want her to be. A partner and contributer is something I require, so now I typically only date seriously smart women who either already make decent money (from 60 to 300% of what I make), or are in school for careers with that kind of potential (some are a lot younger than me). I'm on a few online dating sites (try it- it's like shopping for women!) and I make that clear right on my profile. I say I give a lot, and expect a lot in return and I'm looking for a partner- not someone looking to be taken care of. Boundaries set before we even meet. It's a nice cunt-filter.

That's how you treat a woman, grimlock; with respect as an EQUAL. That means don't treat them like an object, but just as importantly don't put them on a pedestal and let them cross your boundaries. That's the only way you can have a respectful relationship. Give them what they need in a relationship, but have no qualms about GETTING what you need from them, too.

Right now, I need to be dating several women at once. I clearly explain why (and I do have legitimate reasons beyond the ridiculous amounts of mind-blowing sex I'm having) and you'd be surprised how many women respect that and will stay with you if you're honest about it. It's a fantastic situation- when they know they're not the only one, they actually compete for your attention! A really beautiful girl (looked like Emma Watson) who I had amazing chemistry with wasn't OK with it, and had a crap job, too. The old me would've dropped everything for that kind of chemistry and beauty, but I realized she doesn't meet my needs right now so I dropped her. In the future, when I'm ready for something exclusive, I'll give her a call and see how her career is going and maybe restart it. I think good guys are hard to find, and we're good guys, so we can have options like that. It's a very non-needy thing to do, and women respect that. They don't want some pussy who needs them- they want a guy with options who CHOOSES them above all the others.


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It's shit like that which started me to look at the ground at 125mph and thinking...hey how bad can it be?
I can't imagine how bad it would be if I had kids...fucking A that would be a head down dive into the ground from 14kft!
The thought crossed my mind, too, although I never seriously considered going through with it. I thought "is this all there is...another monotous day of giving all I can and not getting my needs met?" Life is precious though, so better to throw caution to the wind and see what you can make of it before you check out, which is exactly what I did. The thought never even crosses the most remote portions of my mind any more. I'm having an AMAZING time and I see so much potential for further growth and happiness

I'm not so sure about marriage anymore- nobody has a right to own my life, and when someone feels entiteled to you, they no longer have to put in an effort to keep you around- you're legally obligated. I'd have to be with someone for a very long time to have enough trust to do that again, and it would be with someone I don't want to be without.

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Picking the right girl from the beginning?

For the guys here who went through a vicious divorce process, in retrospect, did you see the signs that things weren't going to work out early on?

I have a few friends who went through crushing divorces, and one of the things they admit is that early on they saw the signs of potential problems, but they let something blind them (beauty, denial, imagined connection, etc).
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      01-10-2013, 12:20 PM   #247
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sorry to hear this....
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      01-10-2013, 12:37 PM   #248
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For the guys here who went through a vicious divorce process, in retrospect, did you see the signs that things weren't going to work out early on?

I have a few friends who went through crushing divorces, and one of the things they admit is that early on they saw the signs of potential problems, but they let something blind them (beauty, denial, imagined connection, etc).
Yes. See my above (re-edited) post.

That said, you'll never find someone who's absolutely perfect. You just have to recognize the shortcomings and be OK with the possibility that you might not be able to change those shortcomings. That's why I won't date a girl, who, say, would be really cute if only she lost 15 pounds.
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      01-10-2013, 01:04 PM   #249
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Yes. See my above (re-edited) post.

That said, you'll never find someone who's absolutely perfect. You just have to recognize the shortcomings and be OK with the possibility that you might not be able to change those shortcomings. That's why I won't date a girl, who, say, would be really cute if only she lost 15 pounds.
Nothing wrong with dating an overweight girl. My wife was average size when we got married, then gained massive weight after pregnancy. Thanks to lap band now she's hotter then when I first met her. You know how people say "good looking girl but bad attitude" or "great personality but overweight" well I managed to get both good ones.
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Nothing wrong with dating an overweight girl. My wife was average size when we got married, then gained massive weight after pregnancy. Thanks to lap band now she's hotter then when I first met her. You know how people say "good looking girl but bad attitude" or "great personality but overweight" well I managed to get both good ones.
LOL- there's nothing wrong with YOU dating an overweight girl because that clearly isn't one of your needs. For me, it's a deal-breaker. Not only does it dramatically reduce my physical attraction, but it tells me something about the respect she has for her own body, her will-power, and how likely she's able to keep up with me. I don't want a girl who'll lose weight because i want her to- I want her to take care of herself because it's important to HER. If she can't take care of herself now, it's even less likely she'll be able to as she ages. If you're willing to accept that limitation, that's fine.

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Let me tell you how greedy my X is. When we started taking about divorce I made a generous offer to her. This was my offer:

1 – Let me buy you out on the house
2 – I will help you to buy a town house you like
3 – After you put down the money that you get for the current house on the new town house, I will pay for the mortgage until the house is paid off.
4 – I will pay the association fee, taxes, property insurance
5 – If your new town house need any kind of repair or upgrade (kitchen, bathroom, paint..) I will either do myself or pay for it
6 – Take any furniture you want from the current house. If you need any other furniture or appliance I will pay for it.
7 – I will continue to pay for every single bill you will have : Car insurance, cell phone, medical insurance, every single utility bill (gas, electricity, phone, cable, internet, water, sewer…)


Believe or not she didn’t accept it.

Then I made an another offer : Take the house which has over $300,000 equity and $200,000 cash on top of it. She did not accept it either!

Because she figured she would get more money through alimony ($3400 a month, 25 years (earliest I can retire) = $1,020,000 plus $67,000 in child support.

Guys, please don’t let your feelings effect your judgment. My X is the most irresponsible and the laziest person I have ever met but I never thought she would go after me so hard to get every single penny she can get from me!!! When it comes to divorce woman become greedy monsters because they feel that they will never find another guy who would take care of them. So they try to get as much as possible to financially secure themselves. The older the woman the worse this gets.
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My wife made twice my salary when I first met her.

I could have made out big time.
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LOL- there's nothing wrong with YOU dating an overweight girl because that clearly isn't one of your needs. For me, it's a deal-breaker. Not only does it dramatically reduce my physical attraction, but it tells me something about the respect she has for her own body, her will-power, and how likely she's able to keep up with me. I don't want a girl who'll lose weight because i want her to- I want her to take care of herself because it's important to HER. If she can't take care of herself now, it's even less likely she'll be able to as she ages. If you're willing to accept that limitation, that's fine.
How do you tell this to a girl?
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LOL- there's nothing wrong with YOU dating an overweight girl because that clearly isn't one of your needs. For me, it's a deal-breaker. Not only does it dramatically reduce my physical attraction, but it tells me something about the respect she has for her own body, her will-power, and how likely she's able to keep up with me. I don't want a girl who'll lose weight because i want her to- I want her to take care of herself because it's important to HER. If she can't take care of herself now, it's even less likely she'll be able to as she ages. If you're willing to accept that limitation, that's fine.
It is one of my needs but most women naturally gain weight after babys and age. In the summer she looks great at 115 but at winter I prefer her at 125..lol. Off topic here but lap band is great! Skinny till death do us apart..
Its one of the best investments I've ever made, even over my lasik surgery.
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Moral of this thread is 1) Marry a rich girl 2) Don't have kids 3) Find a job at McDonald's
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How do you tell this to a girl?
I don't have to- I only go out with them if I already find them attractive, so I only have to tell them how good they look

I went out with one girl I met online who carefully selected her pics to hide her body. She wasn't obese or anything, but much chunkier than you'd expect from pics of her face. Great chemistry, pretty face, lots of fun, super smart and active. I wanted to like her so I even went on a second date and had fun, but I just couldn't feel attracted to her. I didn't want to make her feel bad so I just didn't ask her out for a third date.

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Since you work in software development. Have you ever considered working as a contractor and not reporting any cash payments?
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Since you work in software development. Have you ever considered working as a contractor and not reporting any cash payments?
I thought about it but it doesn't work that way. I can not stop making alimony payments just because I lost my job. I have file t court and have to prove that I lost my job unintentionally and can't find another job. My likely the judge won't be convinced because this is the most common way of getting out of alimony. Maybe and only maybe after a long time of not having a job can give you break on alimony payments but during that time period you will still have to make the payments.
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All I can say is, I would wish these divorce judges getting a divorce and would get hit with a permanent alimony payment with ridiculous amount to see how they would feel.
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Not married and hope I meet the right girl so I do it right the first time. A few of my coworkers have gone through divorces for various reasons and they all express gratitude for living in Texas as apparently we have very good divorce laws, certainly don't require alimony for life ~5 years max. That sounds absolutely awful.
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I'm not scared of too many things in life.

A hurricane, WWIII, maybe a demon possesed baby with rabies would frighten me...

But this thread right here, scared shitless.

I pray that I never get into these situations and although no one passed away, I send my condolences to those who went through what you guys mentioned post divorce

Keep ya head up G's.
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I'm not scared of too many things in life.

A hurricane, WWIII, maybe a demon possesed baby with rabies would frighten me...

But this thread right here, scared shitless.

I pray that I never get into these situations and although no one passed away, I send my condolences to those who went through what you guys mentioned post divorce

Keep ya head up G's.
Agreed. I cringed after reading this thread. I'm sorry that the OP had to go through it. I can only imagine how he must feel. This thread has given me a lot to think about.
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For the guys here who went through a vicious divorce process, in retrospect, did you see the signs that things weren't going to work out early on?.
Me? No, maybe i had my head down and was working too hard but no.
We had just been to my parents house for thanksgiving where everything had gone very well, we had come back home and were discussing taking a long overdue vacation together to New Orleans and staying at a nice little B&B.
The only hint that i had that things were going to shit was that she was just not passionate...but she is from Finland and Finn and passion....don't really go together...and also we were having less sex...but again...Finn and sex...ha ha....
Any how I was at the gym parking lot getting ready to go in and realize we had not had sex in a while and thought..."well i'll be a good husband and suggest we maybe go see a specialist."
So I sent her an email stating "Girl this sex diet is not working for me and we need to talk about it."

Her response was "Call our lawyer i want a divorce."

It was mch like getting shot in the head.

My only advice to any guys is what has been said...do not date below your means. If the girl does not have an education nor a career do not marry her and if you do get a good prenup.
And no they are not rational beings. I use to tell my x wife time and time again "Do you act first and ponder the outcome later?" and you know what....that's about how well they work.

Also, if you live out in the country or the burbs get your ass out and move closer to a large city quickly. The worse mistake i made was moving into the burbs. After a divorce you need people around you and you need a very good dating pool. Both things which are not available if you live in the burbs.
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Me? No, maybe i had my head down and was working too hard but no.
We had just been to my parents house for thanksgiving where everything had gone very well, we had come back home and were discussing taking a long overdue vacation together to New Orleans and staying at a nice little B&B.
The only hint that i had that things were going to shit was that she was just not passionate...but she is from Finland and Finn and passion....don't really go together...and also we were having less sex...but again...Finn and sex...ha ha....
Any how I was at the gym parking lot getting ready to go in and realize we had not had sex in a while and thought..."well i'll be a good husband and suggest we maybe go see a specialist."
So I sent her an email stating "Girl this sex diet is not working for me and we need to talk about it."

Her response was "Call our lawyer i want a divorce."

It was mch like getting shot in the head.

My only advice to any guys is what has been said...do not date below your means. If the girl does not have an education nor a career do not marry her and if you do get a good prenup.
And no they are not rational beings. I use to tell my x wife time and time again "Do you act first and ponder the outcome later?" and you know what....that's about how well they work.

Also, if you live out in the country or the burbs get your ass out and move closer to a large city quickly. The worse mistake i made was moving into the burbs. After a divorce you need people around you and you need a very good dating pool. Both things which are not available if you live in the burbs.
That's tough man.

I guess the point about dating at your level (in terms of career accomplishments) makes sense if you're being calculative.

Overall though, it seems like a big jump to go from good holiday gatherings to "I want a divorce". I feel like there is something missing from the story. Not saying you have to divulge all of your personal info, it just doesn't make sense to me unless I'm missing details, or your ex-wife was a psychopath.
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