BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Engine, Transmission, Exhaust, Drivetrain, ECU Software Modifications
 
ESS Tuning
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-05-2013, 12:44 AM   #1
MRSSIIM3
General
MRSSIIM3's Avatar
United_States
36
Rep
1,342
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 SSII/SO M4
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (5)

400 RWHP Club?

What does it take to reach the 400 RWHP club with just bolt ons and no forced induction?

would the following get me there?

-akra evo full system
-dinan pulley
-dinan intake
-tune

what am i missing?
__________________
Current: 2015 M4, SSII / SO
Current: 2013 E92 M3, SSII, Black extended, ZCP, fully loaded
Mods: Black Hood Vents, Black Grilles, Black Side Grilles, Lux H8 v. 4.0, CF Mirrors, CF Spoiler, Black ///M Emblem, Evolve Tune, Dinan CF Intake, Dinan Pulley, Akrapovic GT4
Retired: 2011.5 E92 M3, SSII
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 12:52 AM   #2
Tonifyd
Lieutenant
Tonifyd's Avatar
11
Rep
459
Posts

 
Drives: 2011.75 JB E90M3 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Hong Kong

iTrader: (0)

even though you mentioned without forced induction, there's gonna be quite a few posts still saying ESS. lol.

Good luck to you, as wish to know as well.

I think there's headers you can get as well.
different differential?
lighter wheels will help with acceleration as well.
__________________
2011.75 E90 ///M3 6MT | JB | Blk | CF | ZCP | ZCV | ZCW | ZP2 | 403 | 6NR | 752 [Sold T.T]
'95 Integra GS-R [Stolen-RIP] | '05 Legacy GT Stg 2[Traded] | '08 STi Stg 2+[Sold]
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 12:52 AM   #3
JAM3S
Captain
JAM3S's Avatar
7
Rep
601
Posts

 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Charlotte

iTrader: (1)

Maybe paint some flames down the side of your car and I think you got it!
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 12:53 AM   #4
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
328
Rep
10,632
Posts


 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (13)

Garage List
Posted this just earlier today:



Modifications
Macht Schnell Bypass Track Pipes
SuperSprint Race Exhaust
Macht Schnell Performance Underdrive Pulleys
Macht Schnell Stage 2 Intake Charge Kit
Epic Motorsports Tune

SAE


STD


Conditions
__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 12:54 AM   #5
MRSSIIM3
General
MRSSIIM3's Avatar
United_States
36
Rep
1,342
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 SSII/SO M4
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonifyd View Post
even though you mentioned without forced induction, there's gonna be quite a few posts still saying ESS. lol.

Good luck to you, as wish to know as well.

I think there's headers you can get as well.
different differential?
lighter wheels will help with acceleration as well.
hahaha ess. forced induction will come at some point.

i checked dinan site though and headers dont add much. differential wouldnt add power on a dyno though or wheels. lets see what others say

Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM3S View Post
Maybe paint some flames down the side of your car and I think you got it!
hahahaha for sure man, this adds more power than ESS actually
__________________
Current: 2015 M4, SSII / SO
Current: 2013 E92 M3, SSII, Black extended, ZCP, fully loaded
Mods: Black Hood Vents, Black Grilles, Black Side Grilles, Lux H8 v. 4.0, CF Mirrors, CF Spoiler, Black ///M Emblem, Evolve Tune, Dinan CF Intake, Dinan Pulley, Akrapovic GT4
Retired: 2011.5 E92 M3, SSII
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 12:55 AM   #6
MRSSIIM3
General
MRSSIIM3's Avatar
United_States
36
Rep
1,342
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 SSII/SO M4
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tom @ eas View Post
Posted this just earlier today:


Modifications
Macht Schnell Bypass Track Pipes
SuperSprint Race Exhaust
Macht Schnell Performance Underdrive Pulleys
Macht Schnell Stage 2 Intake Charge Kit
Epic Motorsports Tune
intereting. so what i described should put me over 400, give or take ~10hp b/c akra doesnt add as much as test pipes, and the effectiveness of the tune.

theres nothing else than exhaust, intake, pulley and tune though?
__________________
Current: 2015 M4, SSII / SO
Current: 2013 E92 M3, SSII, Black extended, ZCP, fully loaded
Mods: Black Hood Vents, Black Grilles, Black Side Grilles, Lux H8 v. 4.0, CF Mirrors, CF Spoiler, Black ///M Emblem, Evolve Tune, Dinan CF Intake, Dinan Pulley, Akrapovic GT4
Retired: 2011.5 E92 M3, SSII
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 12:57 AM   #7
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
328
Rep
10,632
Posts


 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (13)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by MRSSIIM3 View Post
intereting. so what i described should put me over 400, give or take ~10hp b/c akra doesnt add as much as test pipes, and the effectiveness of the tune.

theres nothing else than exhaust, intake, pulley and tune though?
Also the Epic Motorsports Flash tune.

This particular M3 (forum member Kaiv) is abused on the track as well as daily driven.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 12:57 AM   #8
Tonifyd
Lieutenant
Tonifyd's Avatar
11
Rep
459
Posts

 
Drives: 2011.75 JB E90M3 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Hong Kong

iTrader: (0)

test pipes can't be street legal tho
well.. technically neither is the akra evo in california, no?
__________________
2011.75 E90 ///M3 6MT | JB | Blk | CF | ZCP | ZCV | ZCW | ZP2 | 403 | 6NR | 752 [Sold T.T]
'95 Integra GS-R [Stolen-RIP] | '05 Legacy GT Stg 2[Traded] | '08 STi Stg 2+[Sold]
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 01:00 AM   #9
MRSSIIM3
General
MRSSIIM3's Avatar
United_States
36
Rep
1,342
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 SSII/SO M4
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tom @ eas View Post
Also the Epic Motorsports Flash tune.

This particular M3 is abused on the track as well as daily driven.
what does epic motosports tune add that evolve tune wouldnt? lol it just sounds funny "epic motorsports"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonifyd View Post
test pipes can't be street legal tho
well.. technically neither is the akra evo in california, no?
eh who cares about the street legality. an officer isnt gonna look under the 80k car to look at whether there are test pipes, akra, oem, etc..and if he does, then he'll get a head ache from all the carbon monoxide and emmissions and in court all ill have to say is "he was confused and not in a normal state of mind" and itll get thrown out
__________________
Current: 2015 M4, SSII / SO
Current: 2013 E92 M3, SSII, Black extended, ZCP, fully loaded
Mods: Black Hood Vents, Black Grilles, Black Side Grilles, Lux H8 v. 4.0, CF Mirrors, CF Spoiler, Black ///M Emblem, Evolve Tune, Dinan CF Intake, Dinan Pulley, Akrapovic GT4
Retired: 2011.5 E92 M3, SSII
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 01:02 AM   #10
mrkhanna16
Captain
mrkhanna16's Avatar
United_States
22
Rep
930
Posts

 
Drives: E92 M3 SSII/Fox Red ZCP DCT
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: LA

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by MRSSIIM3 View Post
what does epic motosports tune add that evolve tune wouldnt? lol it just sounds funny "epic motorsports"



eh who cares about the street legality. an officer isnt gonna look under the 80k car to look at whether there are test pipes, akra, oem, etc..and if he does, then he'll get a head ache from all the carbon monoxide and emmissions and in court all ill have to say is "he was confused and not in a normal state of mind" and itll get thrown out
U think you are above the law....huh? Shame on you.
__________________

E92 M3 SSII/Fox Red, DCT, ZCP
past rides-IS350, E92 335i
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 01:03 AM   #11
MRSSIIM3
General
MRSSIIM3's Avatar
United_States
36
Rep
1,342
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 SSII/SO M4
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrkhanna16 View Post
U think you are above the law....huh? Shame on you.
yewww brotha. glad to see you posting again. thought you got banned ever since the incident
__________________
Current: 2015 M4, SSII / SO
Current: 2013 E92 M3, SSII, Black extended, ZCP, fully loaded
Mods: Black Hood Vents, Black Grilles, Black Side Grilles, Lux H8 v. 4.0, CF Mirrors, CF Spoiler, Black ///M Emblem, Evolve Tune, Dinan CF Intake, Dinan Pulley, Akrapovic GT4
Retired: 2011.5 E92 M3, SSII
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 01:03 AM   #12
mrkhanna16
Captain
mrkhanna16's Avatar
United_States
22
Rep
930
Posts

 
Drives: E92 M3 SSII/Fox Red ZCP DCT
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: LA

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3  [0.00]
Invest in some driver education courses.....best mod i have ever done
__________________

E92 M3 SSII/Fox Red, DCT, ZCP
past rides-IS350, E92 335i
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 01:04 AM   #13
MRSSIIM3
General
MRSSIIM3's Avatar
United_States
36
Rep
1,342
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 SSII/SO M4
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (5)



Quote:
Originally Posted by mrkhanna16 View Post
Invest in some driver education courses.....best mod i have ever done
__________________
Current: 2015 M4, SSII / SO
Current: 2013 E92 M3, SSII, Black extended, ZCP, fully loaded
Mods: Black Hood Vents, Black Grilles, Black Side Grilles, Lux H8 v. 4.0, CF Mirrors, CF Spoiler, Black ///M Emblem, Evolve Tune, Dinan CF Intake, Dinan Pulley, Akrapovic GT4
Retired: 2011.5 E92 M3, SSII
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 01:07 AM   #14
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
328
Rep
10,632
Posts


 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (13)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by MRSSIIM3 View Post
what does epic motosports tune add that evolve tune wouldnt? lol it just sounds funny "epic motorsports
Randy Mueller (Epic Motorsports) is a very well-respected name in the BMW Motorsport community. We have had excellent results in the ESS E-Flash as well.

Here's an example we dynoed with a member using Evolve software:

__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 02:51 AM   #15
klammer
Brigadier General
41
Rep
3,245
Posts

 
Drives: 11 spc gry m3 e90, 07 X5
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: chicago

iTrader: (0)

And on 91 octane no less...
__________________
mods: akra evo, dinan 3.45 diff, ess akra tune, dinan stg.3, Alcon bbk, HRE P40
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 03:02 AM   #16
M3GTC
Private First Class
6
Rep
141
Posts

 
Drives: BMW e92 M3
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2009 BMW M3  [5.00]
Test pipes
Pulley
Ms intake
Dinan pulley
Full exhaust
BPMS tune

This should get you there depending on what x pipe you go with
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 04:44 AM   #17
Frostbite
Lieutenant
United_States
9
Rep
568
Posts

 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: USA

iTrader: (-1)

Garage List
I dyno'd 401whp on a dyno dynamics with a 91/100 oct blend and the mods listed in my sig
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 09:05 AM   #18
J Smith
Enlisted Member
J Smith's Avatar
0
Rep
32
Posts

 
Drives: '11 M3
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Allentown, PA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MRSSIIM3 View Post
what does epic motosports tune add that evolve tune wouldnt? lol it just sounds funny "epic motorsports"
I've used Epic (Randy Mueller) for all tuning on my E46 M3 that has won NASA Nationals for the past 2 years. His tuning knowledge on BMW's is unmatched IMO, and his customer service is awesome.
I tried others, but no one came close to getting the power out of the car that Randy could. Not sure why Epic isn't as popular with the S65, but he has consistently achieved higher dyno numbers on S54's compared to other tuners.
I'm building an E92 M3 race car now, and no doubt, Randy will do the tuning on that too.
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 09:37 AM   #19
flipm3
E46 + E90
Philippines
43
Rep
2,788
Posts

 
Drives: E46 M3 + E90 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Illinois

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2009 BMW M3  [0.00]
2002 BMW M3  [0.00]
As much as many of us want to hit that 400whp NA Benchmark, I would try to focus more so on the change in power. These E9X M3s dyno stock very inconsistently throughout the world and for various reasons. When stock, there is evidence of stock E9X M3s having such a wide range of results all on the same type of dyno in similar conditions, but chances are they perform nearly identical.

I would roughly estimate that a primary cat delete, pulleys, intake, and a proper tune (Epic, Evolve, ESS, or BPM) would yield roughly 40-50+whp.
__________________
E90 M3 DCT|Melbourne Red . Speed Cloth | My Build Thread
E46 M3 6MT|Jet Black . Black Nappa Leather | My Build Thread
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 09:47 AM   #20
Longboarder
Brigadier General
65
Rep
3,795
Posts

 
Drives: 2013 e92 M3
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Monarch Beach

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2011 997.2 Turbo S  [4.71]
2013 e92 M3  [4.55]
2013 BMW X5  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by flipm3 View Post
As much as many of us want to hit that 400whp NA Benchmark, I would try to focus more so on the change in power. These E9X M3s dyno stock very inconsistently throughout the world and for various reasons. When stock, there is evidence of stock E9X M3s having such a wide range of results all on the same type of dyno in similar conditions, but chances are they perform nearly identical.

I would roughly estimate that a primary cat delete, pulleys, intake, and a proper tune (Epic, Evolve, ESS, or BPM) would yield roughly 40-50+whp.
This ^ ^. Flip knows what he is talking about probably better than most here.

Here's my 2cents: 1) Because torque is lacking in the mid-range, a catless mid-pipe will do wonders in increasing torque from just off-idle and through the mid-range (where the M3 needs it) all the way to redline; 2) get a tune which increasing redline to 8,600-8,700. Start with these two things...and my guess is that you won't care about your dyno number. Your car will FEEL much faster and WILL be much faster.
__________________
Daily: 2013 e92 M3 DCT / ESS VT2 650 S/C / Akrapovic Evolution / StopTech BBK
Track/Airstrip: 2011 997.2 Turbo S PDK / 725 HP / BBi suspension build
Beater: 2013 X5 3.5sport
YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT1...eoFBszPIK0gf9w
Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 10:01 AM   #21
kaiv
Major
United_States
24
Rep
1,237
Posts

 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: San Diego, CA

iTrader: (15)

I guess I am part of the club although I wasn't going for any particular number, I just wanted to squeeze a few ponies from my engine

Appreciate 0
      01-05-2013, 10:05 AM   #22
J Smith
Enlisted Member
J Smith's Avatar
0
Rep
32
Posts

 
Drives: '11 M3
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Allentown, PA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by flipm3 View Post
As much as many of us want to hit that 400whp NA Benchmark, I would try to focus more so on the change in power. These E9X M3s dyno stock very inconsistently throughout the world and for various reasons. When stock, there is evidence of stock E9X M3s having such a wide range of results all on the same type of dyno in similar conditions, but chances are they perform nearly identical.
Absolutely. Couldn't agree more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiv View Post
I guess I am part of the club although I wasn't going for any particular number, I just wanted to squeeze a few ponies from my engine

Nice!
__________________
Josh
2011, 2012 NASA GTS3 National Champion
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:31 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST