Shocked to discover that the car is CPO . . .

Talk2meg00se · 01-04-2013, 01:07 PM

Purchased my '08 M3 (with 7,000 mi) privately in 2010 - both the ad and the seller warranted that there had only ever been 1 owner.

Discovered yesterday (while getting the ECU ver. no. from BMW) that the car has a CPO warranty. Huh?

Pretty angry about this misrepresentation from the seller - she was in the fact the 2nd owner, and not the first - though the car was (and still is) in perfect condition.

Weighing the pros and cons of confronting the seller. How would you guys react to something like this?

Would a confrontation be an overreaction? Seems like a pretty dirty trick to pull.

Edit: had full BMW inspection / car fax / etc. before purchasing - not sure how this detail didn't arise.

schnell325 · 01-04-2013, 01:09 PM

Dirty of them? Yes.

You new have a CPO warranty? Bonus!!

I wouldn't bother confronting the seller myself.

THE TECH · 01-04-2013, 01:11 PM

Sounds like it ended up being in your favor so I'd leave it be.

Talk2meg00se · 01-04-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by THE TECH

Sounds like it ended up being in your favor so I'd leave it be.

Yes and no - not sure how much value the warranty has after all of the mods.

ussoldierforhire · 01-04-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Talk2meg00se

Yes and no - not sure how much value the warranty has after all of the mods.

Doesnt that depend how mod friendly your dealer is?

THE TECH · 01-04-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ussoldierforhire

Doesnt that depend how mod friendly your dealer is?

+1

luv135i · 01-04-2013, 01:34 PM

Maybe it was lease that she bought outright and CPO'd it so she still would be the first owner?

faith&firepower · 01-04-2013, 02:00 PM

Could have been a dealer demo too....I wouldn't loose sleep over it.

Darth One · 01-04-2013, 02:05 PM

It depends on how much you like your car and are satisfied with it, and if you think you'll sell it at some point and 3 owners instead of 2 would create diminished value. You don't seem to actually have experienced a problem with the car so it sounds like you'd just be creating a headache for yourself by pursuing the seller (although I sympathize with your feelings of being cheated in some fashion)

nbennettksu · 01-04-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by faith&firepower

Could have been a dealer demo too....I wouldn't loose sleep over it.

+1 and if was a demo, orig seller may not have known.

W Cole · 01-04-2013, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Talk2meg00se

Yes and no - not sure how much value the warranty has after all of the mods.

Looks like the only mod you have that would really affect warranty is the tune? I'd take off the intake when taking the car in and they will probably never notice the pulleys..

Talk2meg00se · 01-04-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nbennettksu

+1 and if was a demo, orig seller may not have known.

Maybe this is the explanation. She seemed like a very nice person (recently followed up 2 years later to see how the car was doing), and works in the same industry as my dad. She was also aware of the fact that I'm a lawyer.

Not an ideal situation from her perspective in terms of attempting to screw someone.

I'm going to assume that it was an honest mistake, and will let it go.

mdosu · 01-04-2013, 03:10 PM

1. you now have extended warranty date
2. your car is still mechanically pristine

no issues in my book, take off your lawyer glasses.

Darth One · 01-04-2013, 03:11 PM

Wasn't aware that a dealer using a car as a demo was the equivalent of titling it. Always thought that the car is just listed as inventory until they finally sell it to a retail customer.

I bought a demo 6 years ago and it was definitely sold to me as a new car - the sticker was still on it, they started out with new car MSRP (of course negotiated a hefty discount, etc). I never checked carfax or anything like that to confirm I was the first owner

TTG · 01-04-2013, 04:08 PM

Dealers will CPO their demo / loaner etc cars and sell them as "new" cars. I guess the question I would of asked her was -How many miles did the car have when you 1st bought it?

It sounds like an honest mistake.

W Cole · 01-04-2013, 08:54 PM

Is there anyway to see if a car was ever used as a demo?

KIS · 01-04-2013, 10:30 PM

What could you do two years after the purchase? Also, what are your damages?

spdy330 · 01-05-2013, 12:18 AM

Don't lose sleep over it like others have said.

WingZeroX5 · 01-05-2013, 12:28 AM

if anything it should make you sleep better because now you have extended warranty for anything major that pops up. Don't quite understand your gripe here

zamboni · 01-05-2013, 01:28 AM

Lots of stuffs are not cover under CPO coverage.

ES_TRADER · 01-05-2013, 01:30 AM

Maybe she meant there was 1 owner BEFORE her....

you said she warranted there was only 1 owner. Or did she say she was the original owner? Those are two different things

Mike van D · 01-05-2013, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ES_TRADER

Maybe she meant there was 1 owner BEFORE her....

you said she warranted there was only 1 owner. Or did she say she was the original owner? Those are two different things

Great point! This seems like a ver good possibility. But as others have said...you have some warranty so that's pretty much a bonus in it all.

01-04-2013, 01:07 PM	#1
Talk2meg00se Lieutenant Drives: 2008 E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 488 iTrader: (0)	Shocked to discover that the car is CPO . . . Purchased my '08 M3 (with 7,000 mi) privately in 2010 - both the ad and the seller warranted that there had only ever been 1 owner. Discovered yesterday (while getting the ECU ver. no. from BMW) that the car has a CPO warranty. Huh? Pretty angry about this misrepresentation from the seller - she was in the fact the 2nd owner, and not the first - though the car was (and still is) in perfect condition. Weighing the pros and cons of confronting the seller. How would you guys react to something like this? Would a confrontation be an overreaction? Seems like a pretty dirty trick to pull. Edit: had full BMW inspection / car fax / etc. before purchasing - not sure how this detail didn't arise. __________________ SSII \| Speed cloth \| Tint \| LCI \| 6MT \| EDC \| MS Stage 2 Intake \| 240E + ESS Tune \| MS Pulley \| OEM GTS Wheels + Michelin Pilot S \| MS Spacers \| Akrapovic slip-on [+CF tips]
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01-04-2013, 01:11 PM	#3
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01-04-2013, 01:34 PM	#7
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01-04-2013, 02:00 PM	#8
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TTG ... Drives: 2011 E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,829 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2011 BMW M3 [3.82] 2007 335 Coupe (ret ... [4.00]	Dealers will CPO their demo / loaner etc cars and sell them as "new" cars. I guess the question I would of asked her was -How many miles did the car have when you 1st bought it? It sounds like an honest mistake. __________________ Retired: 2011 E92 M3 AW w/ Silver Novillo ZCP, ZTP, ZPP, 494, 6FL, 507, 302 & 415.....ED April 29th, 2010 Retired: 2007 E92 335i -Space Gray, Black Leatherette + Alum, Nav, ZCW, ZSP, PDC, CA & Sunshade.....ED Oct 19th, 2006
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01-04-2013, 01:09 PM	#2
schnell325 Bored at work.... Drives: '08 M3,'11 335xi Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BC Posts: 3,818 iTrader: (5)	Dirty of them? Yes. You new have a CPO warranty? Bonus!! I wouldn't bother confronting the seller myself.
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01-04-2013, 02:05 PM	#9
Darth One Former yr 1of1 owner Drives: SGM E90 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: FL Posts: 1,109 iTrader: (0)	It depends on how much you like your car and are satisfied with it, and if you think you'll sell it at some point and 3 owners instead of 2 would create diminished value. You don't seem to actually have experienced a problem with the car so it sounds like you'd just be creating a headache for yourself by pursuing the seller (although I sympathize with your feelings of being cheated in some fashion)
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01-04-2013, 03:10 PM	#13
mdosu Banned Drives: Double Vanos'd Civic-M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: San Francisco Posts: 8,517 iTrader: (6)	1. you now have extended warranty date 2. your car is still mechanically pristine no issues in my book, take off your lawyer glasses.
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01-04-2013, 03:11 PM	#14
Darth One Former yr 1of1 owner Drives: SGM E90 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: FL Posts: 1,109 iTrader: (0)	Wasn't aware that a dealer using a car as a demo was the equivalent of titling it. Always thought that the car is just listed as inventory until they finally sell it to a retail customer. I bought a demo 6 years ago and it was definitely sold to me as a new car - the sticker was still on it, they started out with new car MSRP (of course negotiated a hefty discount, etc). I never checked carfax or anything like that to confirm I was the first owner
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01-04-2013, 08:54 PM	#16
W Cole Captain Drives: 2009 M3 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Newport Coast, CA Posts: 687 iTrader: (4)	Is there anyway to see if a car was ever used as a demo?
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01-04-2013, 10:30 PM	#17
KIS Lieutenant Drives: 2014 C63 Coupe Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 513 iTrader: (0)	What could you do two years after the purchase? Also, what are your damages?
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01-05-2013, 12:18 AM	#18
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01-05-2013, 12:28 AM	#19
WingZeroX5 Major Drives: 2011.5 E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,127 iTrader: (9)	if anything it should make you sleep better because now you have extended warranty for anything major that pops up. Don't quite understand your gripe here __________________
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01-05-2013, 01:28 AM	#20
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01-05-2013, 01:30 AM	#21
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