Why did you leave the M3? - Page 5

brava09 · 01-01-2013, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Skullbussa

Why on Earth is this forum fixated on the idea that turbo engines are low-class workhorse engines meant for the masses?

You nailed it mate, indeed the turbo engines are low-class workhorse engines

I had the N54, nothing to write home about. It was enough one test drive of the S65 and I couldn't dump faster the N54

Vic311 · 01-01-2013, 03:23 AM

Seriously though ..all this speculation..on a platform that hasn't even been released yet..

The M3 has never disappointed..no need to presume they would start now..

KKM3 · 01-01-2013, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vic311

Seriously though ..all this speculation..on a platform that hasn't even been released yet..

The M3 has never disappointed..no need to presume they would start now..

Well if its going in the same direction as the f10 m5 then expect a bigger car with FI and fake engine noise through the speakers.

klammer · 01-01-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by radiantm3

I never said that. If you want straight line speed the C63 is the better car. Seems like you should have gotten one of those if you want to be fast in 97% of your driving conditions. The m3 shines in the corners because it's so balanced.

I was talking about the downside of superchargers at the track before to make a point that more power isn't always a good thing if it isn't done the right way.

Agreed, and rarely do the S/C's make people that much faster around the track. If only built motors weren't so damn expensive.

MienAce · 01-01-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by buschy

I left the m3 because every topic on the m3 post goes Off topic.

are you sure, not bc M3 is THE BEST car ever, 99.9% of m owner think so.

DisGuy · 01-02-2013, 01:45 AM

Cause it's slow

adc · 01-02-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

If they really wanted to keep the "gem" they could've saved a lot of money by just adding direct injection. Exactly what gm is doing with there ls3....

The Vette will get to the intended gas mileage because it is light. The M3 never has a chance in hell to make the intended consumption/emission targets with a N/A engine.

adc · 01-02-2013, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Skullbussa

The idea that BMW is pulling the S65 from the M3 line simply due to CAFE is a dubious assertion. It is far, far more likely that the S65 is being pulled because it pales in comparison to the powerplants employed by all of its peers and in fact is completely outshined by a truck engine (Ford's 5.0) that makes more power and more torque all over the powerband

First of all, since the M3 still keeps up with the Ford despite having a smaller engine, I really don't see why you think it is outshined. Second, the 5.0 is not a truck engine, that's an absurd statement - its a very good engine that Ford has spent lots of $ and care to make it into what it is today.

And lastly, all BMW had to to to re-establish dominance in that segment was to increase displacement a bit. It's my belief that if it had been still globally socially acceptable, they would have used a variation of the GTS engine in the next M3.

BMW and M have repeatedly stated why they are moving away from N/A engines, and it sure as hell wasn't the disappointing power figures.

MY13E92M3 · 01-18-2013, 05:01 PM

I love the E92 M3. Nothing to complain about. The DCT is amazing and is the best looking BMW IMO.

I'm gonna keep it as long as possible... although my longest record with a car is 2 years.

After this I would consider an M6GC or CLS63.

saildoc · 01-18-2013, 06:36 PM

Easy to walk away from BMW and into a Porsche and an AMG.

Giggs · 01-18-2013, 06:47 PM

left it for an R8. Not as many for sale as M3s so its taking me a while to find the right one. And the search continues..

Giggs · 01-18-2013, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Optherion

Lol too true. I need to stay up to date when the next M3 is out because its a great car. Hope to get into the next gen M3 as the M5 serves no purpose to me. I really want boost and low end grunt.

On another note how are you loving the grunt of that c63? Seriously considering one of the 4 doors as a DD but have heard comments about the trans. Would never have a manual again after all the DCT cars ive had. 458, GT-R, M3.

This thread simply asked, why did you get rid of your M3, I wanted more low end grunt. There was nothing wrong with the car. Perfect balance. But sometimes you get sick of balance and like cars that will try to kill you

Just like women. The crazy psycho ones are sometimes the hottest

I will never stray from this forum, I've met more awesome people and fellow enthusiasts here that have become good friends more than any other car club/forum I've ever been on. Long live M3post

saildoc · 01-20-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Giggs

I will never stray from this forum, I've met more awesome people and fellow enthusiasts here that have become good friends more than any other car club/forum I've ever been on. Long live M3post

Even though the only BMW in my family is an X5 diesel I still like this forum the best: all they ever talk about on the AMG forum is what carbon fiber splitter to get or how to get 20inch wheels to fit... you can see what kind of crowd that is. The Cayman forum is all about how to get 4 more HP with different air intake or tune...

gthal · 01-20-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by saildoc

Even though the only BMW in my family is an X5 diesel I still like this forum the best: all they ever talk about on the AMG forum is what carbon fiber splitter to get or how to get 20inch wheels to fit... you can see what kind of crowd that is. The Cayman forum is all about how to get 4 more HP with different air intake or tune...

I don't disagree... sometimes the topics are great but often not, especially as of late for some reason.

Sandye90m3 · 01-20-2013, 05:12 PM

I think what people have to understand about the M3, is that it's a complete different car than all the others. Many of the other 'high-powered' cars have lots of HP and lots of Torque, where as the m3 has lots of HP and mediocre amount of torque. (C63 for example)

That being said, there is very minimal amount of cars that let you rev to 8,400 (excluding exotic cars). Many people are to used to driving torque heavy cars, in which the engine barely has to do any work to get it's self going.

The M3 is designed to rev, I don't see what the problem is to let car roll in 3rd or 4th gear at 50MPH (3500rpm). This car is not meant to be sitting at 2k revs and cruising.

KennyPowers · 01-20-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandye90m3

I think what people have to understand about the M3, is that it's a complete different car than all the others. Many of the other 'high-powered' cars have lots of HP and lots of Torque, where as the m3 has lots of HP and mediocre amount of torque. (C63 for example)

That being said, there is very minimal amount of cars that let you rev to 8,400 (excluding exotic cars). Many people are to used to driving torque heavy cars, in which the engine barely has to do any work to get it's self going.

The M3 is designed to rev, I don't see what the problem is to let car roll in 3rd or 4th gear at 50MPH (3500rpm). This car is not meant to be sitting at 2k revs and cruising.

Problem I had was that the engine is in too heavy of a car.

250wtq is inadequate for a 60k sports car that weighs 3700 lbs.

It's not as much of an issue to have a low tq high strung motor in say a cayman s that weighs 3000 lbs

saildoc · 01-20-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Problem I had was that the engine is in too heavy of a car.

250wtq is inadequate for a 60k sports car that weighs 3700 lbs.

It's not as much of an issue to have a low tq high strung motor in say a cayman s that weighs 3000 lbs

That is exactly the problem. They should have kept the car E46 sized re: weight and girth-what a monster it would have been. The E92 M3 was turning point in cars where the improvement in ride comfort, smoothness and noise was not actually a good thing-as it moved the experience so far the from the original E30 M3 that it really should be called a Caddy.

adc · 01-24-2013, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by saildoc

Even though the only BMW in my family is an X5 diesel I still like this forum the best: all they ever talk about on the AMG forum is what carbon fiber splitter to get or how to get 20inch wheels to fit... you can see what kind of crowd that is. The Cayman forum is all about how to get 4 more HP with different air intake or tune...

...and with the same performance improvement.

limerockpark1of50 · 01-24-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Optherion

I missed having low end torque. Much more usable around town at low speeds. Rare in town I can even stretch the e92. Hoping the new M3 has a nice low end cause its a great DD.

Note previous cars: CLK63AMG, GT500, Viper, GT-R, ZR1, CGT, FGT

Agreed.. The new M's are V6 turbo charged (fact) just not sure how. Twin scroll, true twin like the 335is, Tri turbo and even rumors of quad running an electric turbo so from what I've seen which I was not supposed to see but because I'm A big BMW buyer they showed me real spy videos and it sounded unreal.... I mean V8 animal unreal. And high torque but not much HP gain! Maybe A bump to 435-445hp with around 370tq

soberin · 01-24-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by limerockpark1of50

Agreed.. The new M's are V6 turbo charged (fact) just not sure how. Twin scroll, true twin like the 335is, Tri turbo and even rumors of quad running an electric turbo so from what I've seen which I was not supposed to see but because I'm A big BMW buyer they showed me real spy videos and it sounded unreal.... I mean V8 animal unreal. And high torque but not much HP gain! Maybe A bump to 435-445hp with around 370tq

Nonsense. Who is "they?"

adc · 01-24-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by soberin

Nonsense. Who is "they?"

Area 51, very hush hush.

Mmmm3333 · 01-25-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KennyPowers

250wtq is inadequate for a 60k sports car that weighs 3700 lbs.

250wtq????????? Creating a new unit of measure to make your point?

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Sandye90m3 Lieutenant Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 473 iTrader: (0)	I think what people have to understand about the M3, is that it's a complete different car than all the others. Many of the other 'high-powered' cars have lots of HP and lots of Torque, where as the m3 has lots of HP and mediocre amount of torque. (C63 for example) That being said, there is very minimal amount of cars that let you rev to 8,400 (excluding exotic cars). Many people are to used to driving torque heavy cars, in which the engine barely has to do any work to get it's self going. The M3 is designed to rev, I don't see what the problem is to let car roll in 3rd or 4th gear at 50MPH (3500rpm). This car is not meant to be sitting at 2k revs and cruising. __________________ 2009 BMW M3 E90 =)

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01-01-2013, 03:23 AM	#90
Vic311 Zen Drives: 2011 e92 M3 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: CA Posts: 847 iTrader: (0)	Seriously though ..all this speculation..on a platform that hasn't even been released yet.. The M3 has never disappointed..no need to presume they would start now..

01-18-2013, 06:47 PM	#99
Giggs Major Drives: Audi R8 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 1,049 iTrader: (5)	left it for an R8. Not as many for sale as M3s so its taking me a while to find the right one. And the search continues..