Lime-rock M3 more like Rip-off M3 - Page 2

ES_TRADER · 12-28-2012, 11:03 PM

If the 5er GT sells, this should be a walk in the park

Alex07M3 · 12-28-2012, 11:30 PM

total rip-off, you can buy a brand new M5 for less then that, not that I would want one but it sure is worth more then an M3!

jeff4598 · 12-29-2012, 12:03 AM

It's $5k more if you want them to stop normal production to produce ONE car in a special color just for you. They make like 200 Orange cars because THEY decide to and charge the same $5k? How is that different than offering 12 color choices vs 11 or whatever it is?

PrimoM3 · 12-29-2012, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MKE_M3

Not a problem with the car. The real issue is the dealer markup.

+1

spotshooter · 12-29-2012, 12:54 AM

As M3 production winds down, we may see more of these "markups". Dealer's often take advantage of supply and demand. Glad I grabbed my 2013 when I did.

Limey · 12-29-2012, 01:31 AM

I've seen it there for about three weeks now. But it's Newport beach so I don't blame them. Plenty of muppets here to drop that amount of $$$ for shits and giggles. Prob some dumb bird with $100k to blow and she just buys it for the color probably.

baba louey · 12-29-2012, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by canadian stig

Yes, but many of those mods, especially for people who track their cars, are very useful. Exhaust, bbk, wheels, tires, suspension all help make the car perform better. On the other hand, all you get for those overpriced limited edition cars are some paint and a few stickers. Yeah, ok, the lime rock gets you a new exhaust, but apart from that there isn't anything special about those limited editions. Getting a small number of cars from a mass produced dime a dozen vehicle, and giving that small number a unique paintjob will NOT make a future collectible.

I have a pair of mass produced dime a dozen race gloves that Sebastien Vettle signed in very limited quantity. Are they worth any more than the cost of new gloves?

ruiemichelo · 12-29-2012, 02:20 AM

A local dealer in here have one for more than a month and can't move it even for the MSRP

Alex07M3 · 12-29-2012, 02:23 AM

Funny, I just found this on TurnerMotorsport.com

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/t-t...ign=limerockm3

they seem to think Lime Rocks are good value!

paradocs98 · 12-29-2012, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MKE_M3

Not a problem with the car. The real issue is the dealer markup.

+2. Actually, +15,000.

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Originally Posted by car_fan

I treat Market Adjustment addendums as I do other "add on" product pricing schemes like "paint sealant protection" - with no consideration at all. I think the only recent BMW to "consistently" command over MSRP where the 1M's. Even the new M5's and M6"s can be had for under sticker now.

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by ES_TRADER

If the 5er GT sells, this should be a walk in the park

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff4598

It's $5k more if you want them to stop normal production to produce ONE car in a special color just for you. They make like 200 Orange cars because THEY decide to and charge the same $5k? How is that different than offering 12 color choices vs 11 or whatever it is?

Good point.

Powerbeast · 12-29-2012, 03:30 AM

$15K dealer mark up is just wrong.

ottoblotto · 12-29-2012, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by baba louey

If someone is going to be collecting these cars in the future, I'm guessing a Lime Rock edition will command a better price than a standard M3.

This is the key. I am always looking at E30 M3 for sale online. Rarely do I come across a Cecotto or Europameister edition, but when I do, I notice two things:
1. It has been very, very well taken care of. (Generally garaged, no track, all original, full maint records ect) Perfect example here.
2. It commands a much higher price than the other "run of the mill" M3.
So even though those had some kind of performance upgrade, the same will still happen with the E9X version Lime Rock or DTM or any other special edition with only cosmetics. Just the way it is. I like the "not so special right now" special editions. They will be in 20 years, and Ill get one for my son's college graduation gift then... lol!

But I gotta say I hate dealers that throw in their own special "Markup" so I walk. I saw it when I went looking for SRT8 Magnum that my buddy wanted. Dealerships had $10k+ on those. Was told it was all about supply/demand.. ridiculous.

mdosu · 12-29-2012, 10:24 AM

Welcome to the dc car market, where ppl throw money away.

I love the lime rock, but the markup is gouging.

blackmars · 12-29-2012, 10:25 AM

well, on their website it was listed as MSRP

jeff4598 · 12-29-2012, 10:38 AM

I blanche at dealer mark ups as well but when I think about it they have to sell some cars pretty close to costs at times so I don't blame them for cashing in- I mean we don't hesitate to give them a very low offer if they have five of the type of vehicle we want on the lot. If we get the deal we feel happy not evil!

If there is "blame" I guess it goes to BMW for creating scarcity and ( sorry .1%ers) to the fact that there are people out there who don't even CARE about an extra $15K to buy the damn thing. I suppose those folks get bored ( the hedonic treadmill) quickly and don't care about loses so the mark up should a none issue when they sell it for that Aston they saw at the club.

FLOSS M · 12-29-2012, 10:55 AM

These "special edition" BMW's are pure money makers for dealers and selling cars is a business. If someone is willing to pay sticker or above that is their decision. I was looking at one at my local dealership- would not budge off sticker, but had no problem selling a "regular" M3 coupe at invioce. For each his own. Not worth it in my opinion.

Team Plutonium · 12-29-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hothonda

Simple solution...walk if you don't like it.

When you drive an '08 M3 that's 5 yrs old, everything newer is more expensive.

Many dump loads of $ in mods that actually devalue what they already have..how smart is that if it's about the money?

Depends on the mods. Also, comparing a dealer markup to mods is just plain silly.

Polarcharger · 12-29-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by baba louey

I have a pair of mass produced dime a dozen race gloves that Sebastien Vettle signed in very limited quantity. Are they worth any more than the cost of new gloves?

Probably not if they're signed "Sebastien Vettle".

Team Plutonium · 12-29-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Polarcharger

Probably not if they're signed "Sebastien Vettle".

odiesback · 12-29-2012, 11:53 AM

Their car. They can charge whatever they think it would sell for.

Let the market decided if that car gets sold or sits forever...

I have seen those markups in every other brand when they get a
nice car in the showroom.

Alex07M3 · 12-29-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by odiesback

Their car. They can charge whatever they think it would sell for.

Let the market decided if that car gets sold or sits forever...

I have seen those markups in every other brand when they get a
nice car in the showroom.

Yeah they can charge whaterver they want, but it sucks for the guy that really want one but does'nt have the money or the will to pay more then what it's worth!! At the end, it's the average costumer/enthousiast who is penalized!

Raucky2000 · 12-29-2012, 12:13 PM

Just not worth it to me, but others might jump on it.

12-28-2012, 11:30 PM	#24
Alex07M3 Captain Drives: e92 m3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Gatineau Posts: 942 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 e92 M3 [5.00]	total rip-off, you can buy a brand new M5 for less then that, not that I would want one but it sure is worth more then an M3! __________________ ESS VT1-535, Corsa, Eibach, Yoko AD08s 255/295

12-29-2012, 01:31 AM	#28
Limey EXC MIII Drives: on the wrong side Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: 949 Posts: 153 iTrader: (0)	I've seen it there for about three weeks now. But it's Newport beach so I don't blame them. Plenty of muppets here to drop that amount of $$$ for shits and giggles. Prob some dumb bird with $100k to blow and she just buys it for the color probably. __________________ 11.75 E90 M3 \| AW/Silver Novillo \| ZPP, ZTP, ZCP \| OEM Carbon Aero/Interior \| Thunder/AngeliBrite \| KW Sleeve Over \| UUC SSK \| AE Performance Exhaust \| Challenge Sport X Pipe \| Macht Schnell Spacers, Intake & Pulley \| RPI Scoops \| M Performance Steering Wheel \| M Pedals \| BMW Performance Knob/Lever \| IND Keyhole Del \| Evolve Tune

12-29-2012, 02:20 AM	#30
ruiemichelo New Member Drives: bmw Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: meop Posts: 5 iTrader: (0)	A local dealer in here have one for more than a month and can't move it even for the MSRP __________________

12-29-2012, 02:23 AM	#31
Alex07M3 Captain Drives: e92 m3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Gatineau Posts: 942 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 e92 M3 [5.00]	Funny, I just found this on TurnerMotorsport.com https://www.turnermotorsport.com/t-t...ign=limerockm3 they seem to think Lime Rocks are good value! __________________ ESS VT1-535, Corsa, Eibach, Yoko AD08s 255/295

12-29-2012, 10:24 AM	#35
mdosu Help! Can't decide btw MW & AW, 1st world problems Drives: 2008.99989 SSII E90 "Civic" Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,946 iTrader: (4)	Welcome to the dc car market, where ppl throw money away. I love the lime rock, but the markup is gouging. __________________ Yes, that's a xmas tree in my trunk

12-28-2012, 11:03 PM	#23
ES_TRADER Colonel Drives: 328i, 335i, M3, 535i, X5, 36M Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: OC Posts: 2,369 iTrader: (3) Garage List 2012 328i E92 [5.00] 2013 X5 [0.00] 2013 335i F30 [0.00] 1990 Toyota Previa [0.00] 1997 E36 M3 [5.00] 2011 E92 M3 [0.00] 2011 535i [0.00]	If the 5er GT sells, this should be a walk in the park

12-29-2012, 12:03 AM	#25
jeff4598 First Lieutenant Drives: 2009 e90 AW/BB lotsa Dinan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: new jersey Posts: 357 iTrader: (0)	It's $5k more if you want them to stop normal production to produce ONE car in a special color just for you. They make like 200 Orange cars because THEY decide to and charge the same $5k? How is that different than offering 12 color choices vs 11 or whatever it is?

12-29-2012, 12:54 AM	#27
spotshooter Private First Class Drives: 2013 AW M3 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 134 iTrader: (0)	As M3 production winds down, we may see more of these "markups". Dealer's often take advantage of supply and demand. Glad I grabbed my 2013 when I did.

12-29-2012, 03:30 AM	#33
Powerbeast Major General Drives: E90 M3 Dakar Yellow Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 5,414 iTrader: (4)	$15K dealer mark up is just wrong.

12-29-2012, 10:25 AM	#36
blackmars FengShuiMaster Drives: 13 M3 Coupe Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 87 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW M3 [0.00] 2012 VW Touareg [0.00]	well, on their website it was listed as MSRP __________________ 13 M3 Coupe/ZCP/ZMT/PDC 12 VW Touareg VR6 LUX

12-29-2012, 10:38 AM	#37
jeff4598 First Lieutenant Drives: 2009 e90 AW/BB lotsa Dinan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: new jersey Posts: 357 iTrader: (0)	Mark Up I blanche at dealer mark ups as well but when I think about it they have to sell some cars pretty close to costs at times so I don't blame them for cashing in- I mean we don't hesitate to give them a very low offer if they have five of the type of vehicle we want on the lot. If we get the deal we feel happy not evil! If there is "blame" I guess it goes to BMW for creating scarcity and ( sorry .1%ers) to the fact that there are people out there who don't even CARE about an extra $15K to buy the damn thing. I suppose those folks get bored ( the hedonic treadmill) quickly and don't care about loses so the mark up should a none issue when they sell it for that Aston they saw at the club.

12-29-2012, 10:55 AM	#38
FLOSS M ///M3 Drives: 2013 e92 M3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 287 iTrader: (0)	These "special edition" BMW's are pure money makers for dealers and selling cars is a business. If someone is willing to pay sticker or above that is their decision. I was looking at one at my local dealership- would not budge off sticker, but had no problem selling a "regular" M3 coupe at invioce. For each his own. Not worth it in my opinion.

12-29-2012, 11:53 AM	#42
odiesback 2012 E92 M3 AW EXT FR Drives: 2012 E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 311 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2012 E92 M3 [0.00] 2012 BMW X3 xDrive28i [0.00] 2007 Mazda 3is [0.00]	Their car. They can charge whatever they think it would sell for. Let the market decided if that car gets sold or sits forever... I have seen those markups in every other brand when they get a nice car in the showroom. __________________ 2012 E92 M3 \| Alpine White \| Extended FR \| DCT \| Premium \| Competition \| BMW Apps \| M Performance Exhaust \| CF Front Splitters \| V1 M Steering Wheel

12-29-2012, 12:13 PM	#44
Raucky2000 First Lieutenant Drives: SGM E90 M3 dct Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 330 iTrader: (1)	Just not worth it to me, but others might jump on it.

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