M3 DCT VT2-625 vs All-Motor Camaro SS - Page 2

spdy330 · 12-26-2012, 12:24 AM

Take it to the track, these guys are gonna kill someone.

Alex07M3 · 12-26-2012, 03:31 AM

No way a 570whp M3 DCT should lose to a 520whp Camaro manual, the M3 is a bit lighter, has a lot better transmission and has 50whp more!!

Only thing I can see is if the M3 was missing some boost due to really low air density, pulley driven supercharged cars get much more affected by DA then N/A or turbo cars!

No matter what, impressive performance from the Camaro!

kotik · 12-26-2012, 08:57 AM

maybe the SC m3 has a boost leak... I was in a similar boat when I raced my buddy's 5.0, it wasn't FBO, but had full exhaust, intake and a tune. I pulled him, but not by much. Later i fixed the boost issue and it was quite a bit more.

GOVCO · 12-26-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by erm324

Cool video I came across, both cars sound great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=sua1B6nUzy8#!

That's it...time to sell the M3 for a Camera SS...wait,

fukin idiot I am....not looking for some 70s bush.... Yeah...yeah...I know....

me................................................ ..........................................

Sal@AUTOcouture · 12-26-2012, 04:49 PM

could be the M3 started in the wrong gear too...

smmmurf · 12-26-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sal@AUTOcouture

could be the M3 started in the wrong gear too...

Could also be that the camaro has more than just FBO... ie internals... lol

ArthurJGuy · 12-26-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by smmmurf

Could also be that the camaro has more than just FBO... ie internals... lol

I've tuned rectangle port LS motors than I can count that made similar power with the same mods as the one in the vid, and internals don't gain power anyhow lol.

smmmurf · 12-27-2012, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ArthurJGuy

I've tuned rectangle port LS motors than I can count that made similar power with the same mods as the one in the vid, and internals don't gain power anyhow lol.

Cool... im just saying claimed WHP does not matter in these informal street comparisons unless accompanied by dyno sheets from the same dyno with the same conditions... I could claim I dynoed my E90 at 250whp and go on to beat someone with an E46 making a real 270whp in some random youtube clip.

I don't know LS motors... however I would imagine that NA mods like cams, higher compression, and bore/stroke increases would increase power... those would be considered internals right

ArthurJGuy · 12-27-2012, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by smmmurf

Cool... im just saying claimed WHP does not matter in these informal street comparisons unless accompanied by dyno sheets from the same dyno with the same conditions... I could claim I dynoed my E90 at 250whp and go on to beat someone with an E46 making a real 270whp in some random youtube clip.

I don't know LS motors... however I would imagine that NA mods like cams, higher compression, and bore/stroke increases would increase power... those would be considered internals right

He admits to having a cam, but in their world internals is pistons, rods, and crank which unless you have a stroker motor only add strength, not power. I don't doubt the mods on the Camaro but I am wondering if the M was heat soaked or having some other type of problem with this run.

PINHEAD · 12-27-2012, 03:33 AM

isn't that matte blue M3 on this forum?
very reckless...

sensi09 · 12-27-2012, 03:42 AM

Roughly how much would the mods on that camaro cost?

m33 · 12-27-2012, 11:22 AM

I call bullshit on this video until the owner of the M comes fwd.
I doubt that M even supercharged

Alex07M3 · 12-27-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by m33

I call bullshit on this video until the owner of the M comes fwd.
I doubt that M even supercharged

could you please explain!?

Team Plutonium · 12-27-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex07M3

could you please explain!?

An M3 with the 625 kit should've walked that SS.

Alex07M3 · 12-27-2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

An M3 with the 625 kit should've walked that SS.

yep but an M3 without supercharger should've got raped!

Team Plutonium · 12-27-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex07M3

yep but an M3 without supercharger should've got raped!

Well, he did.

///Montreal3 · 12-27-2012, 12:48 PM

The wrap reminds me of Tightie's ride.

Alex07M3 · 12-27-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

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Originally Posted by Alex07M3

yep but an M3 without supercharger should've got raped!

Well, he did.

Don't know if we saw the same video but losing by 1/2car on the highway is not getting raped in my book!

ms372 · 12-27-2012, 01:10 PM

saw a comment about him running NOS also somewhere. on one of his videos he was on the same level as 550whp supercharged 5.0 and he was only pushing 500whp.

ArthurJGuy · 12-27-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ms372

saw a comment about him running NOS also somewhere. on one of his videos he was on the same level as 550whp supercharged 5.0 and he was only pushing 500whp.

From the Camaro owner.

"Camaro does'nt have any nitrous, yet... I will be putting 200 shot in 1-2 months. Yes it has a big cam (G6X3) which helped alot during the powerband, but actually 4th is the gear that kills camaro's acceleration, because it is too damn long"

I've had a G6X3 cam in my own personal vehicle once before, I have no reason to suspect the Camaro trying to hustle, I suspect something didn't go according to plan with the M.

benzy89 · 12-27-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PINHEAD

isn't that matte blue M3 on this forum?
very reckless...

Pretty sure more than 1 person can have a matte blue wrap (especially cause it looks awesome).... The car you're thinking of is Tightie's Gintani Stage 3 M3 (also has a matte blue wrap)

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Originally Posted by m33

I call bullshit on this video until the owner of the M comes fwd.
I doubt that M even supercharged

You make it sound like EVERY M3 owner is on the forums. The video also shows from 30-40 secs that an ESS kit is installed (poor lighting, but it's easily identifiable by the blower bracket).

If you want to dispute anything, it's whether this was actually a 625 kit and/or producing the 570 RWHP.

It's not like the M3 walked the Camaro (M3s basically at the Camaro's trunk) & it's more than likely if they really would out the 2 cars, the M3 would eventually take the lead.

lenzm3edan · 12-27-2012, 05:04 PM

The M3 performance vs the SS seemed more like a 575 kit in my opinion. With a 625 kit the SS should have been beaten. If it is indeed a 625 kit the SS had more mods than stated or the M3 not running to optimal power, No matter what props to the SS for taking he win and shame on the supercharged, DCT M3.

12-26-2012, 12:24 AM	#23
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12-26-2012, 03:31 AM	#24
Alex07M3 Captain Drives: e92 m3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Gatineau Posts: 950 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 e92 M3 [5.00]	No way a 570whp M3 DCT should lose to a 520whp Camaro manual, the M3 is a bit lighter, has a lot better transmission and has 50whp more!! Only thing I can see is if the M3 was missing some boost due to really low air density, pulley driven supercharged cars get much more affected by DA then N/A or turbo cars! No matter what, impressive performance from the Camaro! __________________ ESS VT1-535, Corsa, Eibach, Yoko AD08s 255/295

12-26-2012, 04:49 PM	#27
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12-27-2012, 03:33 AM	#32
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12-26-2012, 08:57 AM	#25
kotik Lieutenant Drives: e90 M3 ESS 575 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 478 iTrader: (0)	maybe the SC m3 has a boost leak... I was in a similar boat when I raced my buddy's 5.0, it wasn't FBO, but had full exhaust, intake and a tune. I pulled him, but not by much. Later i fixed the boost issue and it was quite a bit more.

12-27-2012, 03:42 AM	#33
sensi09 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: . Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: socal Posts: 1,512 iTrader: (1)	Roughly how much would the mods on that camaro cost?

12-27-2012, 11:22 AM	#34
m33 Banned Drives: E92 VT650 MCB Individual Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CT Posts: 2,677 iTrader: (5)	I call bullshit on this video until the owner of the M comes fwd. I doubt that M even supercharged

12-27-2012, 01:10 PM	#41
ms372 Captain Drives: AW E92 m3 6MT Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Montreal Posts: 693 iTrader: (0)	saw a comment about him running NOS also somewhere. on one of his videos he was on the same level as 550whp supercharged 5.0 and he was only pushing 500whp. __________________ ESS V2 Tune \| Challenge sport x-pipe \| --- \| Dinan Intake \| Evosport pulley\| Vorsteiner \| Downforce USA \| Gintani \| UUC \| BMW Performance \| Macht Schnell

12-27-2012, 05:04 PM	#44
lenzm3edan First Pride Drives: E90, Mercedes ML 350, Outback Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Unknown. Posts: 955 iTrader: (6)	The M3 performance vs the SS seemed more like a 575 kit in my opinion. With a 625 kit the SS should have been beaten. If it is indeed a 625 kit the SS had more mods than stated or the M3 not running to optimal power, No matter what props to the SS for taking he win and shame on the supercharged, DCT M3. __________________ ESS VT-1 550 silverstone E90 /// M3 - 6spd - AD08 - Spacers - H&R - AA exhaust - Primary cat delete - Custom test pipes - ESS tune - Lighted ZHP.

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