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12-17-2012, 07:50 PM | #23 | |
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Beggars can't be choosers, the bottom line is the fact that they are advocates who fight for personal gun rights, they are a large and powerful organization that has accomplished a great deal for gun owners and they continue to. Look at what was mentioned earlier in this thread, for example, they put enough pressure on Chicago, and Illinois, and now they have CCW permits for the first time!
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Yea, I understand and agree. They're more like a double-edged sword to me.
Now if they can change California's CCW laws (plan to move there) I don't like the fact that you have to "justify" why you should have one and the sheriff/police can deny you without cause, then I might have a reason to support them ![]() |
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As long as the NRA fights all forms of gun control then I'll have no business with them. |
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If you want gun control, do it the right way and amend the constitution. It'll be the 2nd time it's been amended to take away rights. |
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12-18-2012, 09:56 AM | #33 | |
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That's why 30 rounders should not be restricted. "Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." George Washington "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason Thomas Paine, of Pennsylvania: "[A]rms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. . . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." -- Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775 Noah Webster, of Pennsylvania: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power." -- An Examination of The Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia, 1787
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a) tyranny wouldn't give a shit about the rights stated in your constitution? b) even if the right wasn't given you by constitution, wouldn't you folks just fight the tyranny - now matter if it would be illegal? Or would you be like "We should mess up this whole tyranny shit, let's get some guns" "Oh, no, wait - it's not stated in the constitution so we better don't do it... let's hit "like" on facebook instead, this will probably do too"? I really have no problem with you having guns. Wear so many of them as you can carry, no problem for me. |
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If you don't like the wording, petition to have it changed, but don't just ignore it. And, not that it matters in the slightest, but I'm an officer in the reserves, so don't think you have some kind of special perspective just because you used to be in the military. The only difference it makes is that you're ignoring your oath. Last edited by carve; 12-18-2012 at 10:22 AM. |
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I very much respect NRA's legislative efforts, but I just can't align myself with most of their political views.
However, I'm on a waiting list for the local Fish&Game association, which requires NRA membership.... I guess I'm in ![]()
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That should come in pretty handy. Let us know when you buy an F16 or a Tomahawk.
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