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      11-26-2012, 10:09 PM   #23
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For this, you must have attended some BMWCCA driving event in the past. If so, make sure your chapter knows and has your email info. There is supposed to be a short window to register.
Thanks James! I did an Autocross event with BMWCCA, but it was 2 years ago. I may do another one just to make sure I get a crack at early registration.
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I've heard that you cannot run the entire 3.4 mile track either...apparently it is an F1 thing. I remember when they built the F1 circuit in Korea and they closed off about 1/3 of the track for local events.
I wouldn't doubt that they ran only a portion of the track for DE's. Just after T5 is a short loop to the north that enters the track before T12. This cuts out the east portion of the track including most of the long straight. But the track is seriously difficult with lots of elevation creating changes in grip through the corners. I am sure that it will take most of us quite a while to figure it out, no matter what length is run.

BTW, the undercard races (Historic F1, Ferrari Challenge and Porsche Cup West) all ran the full 3.4 mile course.
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I've heard that you cannot run the entire 3.4 mile track either...apparently it is an F1 thing. I remember when they built the F1 circuit in Korea and they closed off about 1/3 of the track for local events.
I wouldn't doubt that they ran only a portion of the track for DE's. Just after T5 is a short loop to the north that enters the track before T12. This cuts out the east portion of the track including most of the long straight. But the track is seriously difficult with lots of elevation creating changes in grip through the corners. I am sure that it will take most of us quite a while to figure it out, no matter what length is run.

BTW, the undercard races (Historic F1, Ferrari Challenge and Porsche Cup West) all ran the full 3.4 mile course.
Not sure...just rumors. I know that they only ran the full course in Korea when F1 was there. All other events I've seen cut out about 1/3 of the track. I have no idea why.
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I just want to comment that while attending the Formula 1 race at COTA, there were forty convertibles (open top) vehicles driving around, really really fast. If those guys can do it, then why can't the BMWCCA allow it?

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Probably because their insurance carrier won't allow it and/or the added cost for convertible coverage could cause CCA to risk not recouping their costs? If they keep participant fees the same, obviously they make less money overall if their insurance goes up. If they raise prices, that might reduce the number of participants and they still end up making less money overall. That's pure speculation on my part, and of course other organizers like Driver's Edge allow convertibles as long as they meet the rollover protection requirements (maybe they have a better carrier or can get a better deal since they're a much larger group with much more frequent track events), but it would make sense.

Driver's Edge is an awesome group btw, check them out if you haven't already. Whenever I move, I'm not only going to miss the variety of the tracks in Texas, but I'll especially miss that group; it seems few if any other areas in the country have an HPDE organizer like them that runs several local tracks so you get a consistent HPDE experience wherever you go rather than having to look at the schedules of all of the various tracks nearby and tag along with whatever group is running it that weekend. It's also nice to see lots of familiar student and instructor faces each weekend at several tracks. Highly recommended.
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The CCA is a much larger group than drivers edge/etc. The number ofpeople that do DEs versus the total number of CCA members is rather small. An incident could potentially affect more than just the participants. CCA is more risk averse which isn't a bad thing.
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The CCA is a much larger group than drivers edge/etc. The number ofpeople that do DEs versus the total number of CCA members is rather small. An incident could potentially affect more than just the participants. CCA is more risk averse which isn't a bad thing.
True; allow me to amend my above statement: Driver's Edge HPDEs tend to be larger and occur far more frequently, which could explain why they can allow convertibles where CCA apparently doesn't.
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You still missed my point. The CCA has 70k+ members. If just 7k (it's not that high) do DEs that is 10%. There is another 90% of non DE members.

TDE is a FOR PROFIT entity.

Not for profit, not DE focused club versus for profit, DE company- your priorities and risk taking will be different.
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Yeah, TDE and BMWCCA are different animals. While BMWCCA's event will be quite large there will be other opportunities to get on COTA.
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If a not for profit can break even, and a for profit can make money, yeah there will be other opportunities to get on at COTA.
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We would like to have registration open the first week of December, but considering we still don't have the contract in hand...

Would like to get SOME marketing out there so the word gets out to everybody before we open registration.
Sounds good, please let us know as soon as we can sign up. I'd like to run as many events as possible out there.
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I've heard the registration window will open in the first week of Dec...at least that's what was discussed at the Oct DE at MSR. I think you'll see more and more events being scheduled now that F1 is done. Wonder what the prices will be?

I've heard that you cannot run the entire 3.4 mile track either...apparently it is an F1 thing. I remember when they built the F1 circuit in Korea and they closed off about 1/3 of the track for local events.
James let me know about this. I've never done anything like this. What do we have to do in order to register or to even drive on that track?
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I just want to comment that while attending the Formula 1 race at COTA, there were forty convertibles (open top) vehicles driving around, really really fast. If those guys can do it, then why can't the BMWCCA allow it?

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I missed this part. The only convertibles I seen on the track were when all of the F1 drivers were introduced:















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James let me know about this. I've never done anything like this. What do we have to do in order to register or to even drive on that track?
Well...you have to register for an event. I believe you will get first dibs at this particular BMWCCA event if you've driven with BMWCCA in TX at an Auto-X or HPDE. Then it will eventually be offered to BMWCCA members across the nation.

I would guess that you need to first become a BMWCCA member. Then pray that many people are asleep at the wheel when registration opens and then you'll get a shot. I have no other idea if other DE orgs have different requirements. I would assume not...just need to be in the know and quick when registration opens up.

Be warned...you will get rock chips at this event and will probably mess up your coat of wax. I know you're a die hard waxer dude
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Well...you have to register for an event. I believe you will get first dibs at this particular BMWCCA event if you've driven with BMWCCA in TX at an Auto-X or HPDE. Then it will eventually be offered to BMWCCA members across the nation.

I would guess that you need to first become a BMWCCA member. Then pray that many people are asleep at the wheel when registration opens and then you'll get a shot. I have no other idea if other DE orgs have different requirements. I would assume not...just need to be in the know and quick when registration opens up.

Be warned...you will get rock chips at this event and will probably mess up your coat of wax. I know you're a die hard waxer dude
LOL, I will probably bring my e30 for that event.
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It was just a fun poke at the actual Formula 1 cars...none of them have a roof over them.
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I missed this part. The only convertibles I seen on the track were when all of the F1 drivers were introduced:
It was just a fun poke at the actual Formula 1 cars...none of them have a roof over them.
You just need to mount an intake on top of your trunk. It will be F1-like and therefore legal.
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It was just a fun poke at the actual Formula 1 cars...none of them have a roof over them.
LMAO!!!!!!!!! I missed it! I was like shit, I missed a part of the F1 track! I was about to call my boy cuase we got to the track late cause of his ass. Oops!
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Good news....we have contracts in hand.

Bad news...the first date isn't our first choice, but it is a good date.

Good news- I DID say FIRST date.

Stayed tuned for more info once we get the contract signed.
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Good news....we have contracts in hand.

Bad news...the first date isn't our first choice, but it is a good date.

Good news- I DID say FIRST date.

Stayed tuned for more info once we get the contract signed.
Thanks, tuned in. Fingers crossed.
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Apparently there is a different event at COTA in Feb. The cost is...gasp...$850 for three days.

Sorry...(IMHO) you're smoking crack.
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