Need advice on modding for tracking - Page 3

bigjae1976 · 11-23-2012, 12:58 AM

You'll kill r-comps a lot faster than street tires. The difference is the R-comps will cord pretty quickly unless you manage the tires. I've seen two guys cord a brand new Hoosier r6 in 6 sessions.

I agree with Purple, beginner and even intermediate drivers should stick with street tires. I see too many people blaming tires for understeer/oversteer issues on street tires when it's clearly a driver issue. Then they go to an R-comps to fix their skill issue which then makes that driver issue much more difficult to diagnose. AND they'll be a lot harder on the tires. You really should be very comfortable with knowing what the car is doing at the limit of grip otherwise it gets ugly really quick since you are carrying even more speed. Must also be smooth with the controls. I see too many hacks running r-comps and slicks.

Honestly, I'm maybe giving up a second per lap for 2-3 laps with my street tires every 20 min session. Otherwise, I'm running comparable times. Gotta ask yourself is it worth it? Tire changing, managing the tires, hard to drive in the rain, loading/unloading, etc. For me? Not worth it. I still pass plenty of cars on r-comps and slicks. FWIW, I run RS3s on my 330 and Dunlop Z1*'s on my M3 (just put on RS3s on my M3).

bigjae1976 · 11-23-2012, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by aus

Another tip for OP. KEEP THE DAMN TRACTION CONTROL ON!!!

I disagree. The sooner you get off the DSC crutch, the better. I don't know how any intermediate or advanced can even drive it in MDM. It interferes to much on exit, does not allow you to maintain any slip angle. It will let you slip the rears for a short bit but kicks in at the worst time. It has actually put me into a hairy situation twice, almost dropped 2 wheels off leading to something worse.

DSC will start kick in on exit right when the car starts to slip (maximum traction). I'm using the slip to rotate the car from apex to exit so I can be on full throttle. DSC kills that slip angle in the tires and will point me right off track so it becomes a wrestling match...me vs DSC.

S65NAPWR · 11-23-2012, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Derple

Yes street tires will burn up before r-comps, and they will come back faster than r-comps too. But don't you think it is a useful skill to learn, to look after the tires, on a tire where it happens more easily and is more easily felt and controlled?

Am I wrong about this thread? Is the focus here about learning the most or is it about the ultimate HPDE speed setup?

+1, beginners should learn on good street tires before going R-comp. It has a level of safety that is useful for beginners. There are also many street tire options that are close to R-comp performance that one can use.

M3SQRD · 11-23-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by S65NAPWR

+1, beginners should learn on good street tires before going R-comp. It has a level of safety that is useful for beginners. There are also many street tire options that are close to R-comp performance that one can use.

Also, agree 100%. R-comps are not for beginners and even most intermediate drivers. IMO, starting with R-comps will result in a driver developing a lot of bad habits as well as thinking they are "great" drivers until something goes wrong, very wrong....

M3SQRD · 11-23-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by freeman727

So should I start with HDPE on the Mini if that is what I'm looking to track and then track with the Mini? I would of course slide in 2 or 3 M driving school days. Do you think the M driving school is worth it? Even though it is expensive, they provide the cars

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klammer · 11-23-2012, 10:27 AM

I would also say street tires all the way. I think a big factor, at least for me, that nobody really talks about is FUN. All anyone talks about is becoming a better driver, well I'm in it for the fun, and if I just happen to become a better driver, great! I mean, I'm not going pro, this is my DD, and like mentioned earlier you're not giving that much up to people on R-comps with the present state of streets out there. I get plenty of life out of my AD08's (6-10 events depending) and can drive it on the street as storage is an issue for me. Just go out and have fun, you'll figure out what you will/won't need relatively quickly as you talk to others on the paddock. Just remember, shiny side up

M3SQRD · 11-23-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by klammer

I think a big factor, at least for me, that nobody really talks about is FUN. All anyone talks about is becoming a better driver, well I'm in it for the fun, and if I just happen to become a better driver, great!

Yes, you should be having fun while at the track but you also should be learning. The more you learn about car control, etc, the more fun you'll have at the track (this is a general statement, not directed at you). Over the years I've witnessed so many incidents at the track that could (should!) have been avoided but the driver's reactions/inputs were all wrong when things started to go "bad" and they only made things worse!

Yes, keep the shiny side up

kaiv · 11-23-2012, 05:05 PM

I haven't read the whole thread but I just want to shime in to say that the E9x M3 is a complete beast on the track even with minimal mods.

Mine came with lowering springs. To which I added a pair of camber plates then got it aligned properly.

Also installed brake lines and high temp fluid. I swap race pads (in the front only) and run sticky street rubber.

The car is a total animal.

So those would be my recommendations for a starter/budget track setup that would make even advanced drivers happy.

The E9x is one hell of a chassis.

Jared@pinnacle · 01-20-2013, 09:31 PM

Just to add to what kaiv said, the m3 doesn't need much. I've only track pads, wheels, rbf600, and ss lines. The car is a blast. Have camber plates on order but other than that you have to keep in mind that its a 3600lb luxury car. Just have fun and make changes when they become absolutely necessary unless you will be cheating yourself.

11-23-2012, 12:58 AM	#45
bigjae1976 Brigadier General Drives: 04 330Ci, 11 E90 M3 Individual Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 4,066 iTrader: (8)	You'll kill r-comps a lot faster than street tires. The difference is the R-comps will cord pretty quickly unless you manage the tires. I've seen two guys cord a brand new Hoosier r6 in 6 sessions. I agree with Purple, beginner and even intermediate drivers should stick with street tires. I see too many people blaming tires for understeer/oversteer issues on street tires when it's clearly a driver issue. Then they go to an R-comps to fix their skill issue which then makes that driver issue much more difficult to diagnose. AND they'll be a lot harder on the tires. You really should be very comfortable with knowing what the car is doing at the limit of grip otherwise it gets ugly really quick since you are carrying even more speed. Must also be smooth with the controls. I see too many hacks running r-comps and slicks. Honestly, I'm maybe giving up a second per lap for 2-3 laps with my street tires every 20 min session. Otherwise, I'm running comparable times. Gotta ask yourself is it worth it? Tire changing, managing the tires, hard to drive in the rain, loading/unloading, etc. For me? Not worth it. I still pass plenty of cars on r-comps and slicks. FWIW, I run RS3s on my 330 and Dunlop Z1's on my M3 (just put on RS3s on my M3). __________________ Sponsored by Momentum BMW #593...We Bleed BMW BLUE! Last edited by bigjae1976; 11-23-2012 at 09:05 AM.*

11-23-2012, 10:27 AM	#50
klammer Colonel Drives: 11 spc gry m3 e90, 07 X5 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: chicago Posts: 2,732 iTrader: (0)	I would also say street tires all the way. I think a big factor, at least for me, that nobody really talks about is FUN. All anyone talks about is becoming a better driver, well I'm in it for the fun, and if I just happen to become a better driver, great! I mean, I'm not going pro, this is my DD, and like mentioned earlier you're not giving that much up to people on R-comps with the present state of streets out there. I get plenty of life out of my AD08's (6-10 events depending) and can drive it on the street as storage is an issue for me. Just go out and have fun, you'll figure out what you will/won't need relatively quickly as you talk to others on the paddock. Just remember, shiny side up __________________ mods: akra evo, dinan 3.45 diff, ess akra tune, dinan stg.3, Alcon bbk, HRE P40

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11-23-2012, 05:05 PM	#52
kaiv Major Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,118 iTrader: (12)	I haven't read the whole thread but I just want to shime in to say that the E9x M3 is a complete beast on the track even with minimal mods. Mine came with lowering springs. To which I added a pair of camber plates then got it aligned properly. Also installed brake lines and high temp fluid. I swap race pads (in the front only) and run sticky street rubber. The car is a total animal. So those would be my recommendations for a starter/budget track setup that would make even advanced drivers happy. The E9x is one hell of a chassis.

01-20-2013, 09:31 PM	#53
Jared@pinnacle New Member Drives: Wht e90 m 6spd Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Dc Posts: 15 iTrader: (0)	Just to add to what kaiv said, the m3 doesn't need much. I've only track pads, wheels, rbf600, and ss lines. The car is a blast. Have camber plates on order but other than that you have to keep in mind that its a 3600lb luxury car. Just have fun and make changes when they become absolutely necessary unless you will be cheating yourself.