Active Autowerke | Generation 2 | Level 3 Supercharger Dyno Results

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-20-2012, 05:42 PM

2010 E92 M3 DCT
AA GEN 2 LEVEL 3
Conditions: 80 Deg 35% Humidity
Dynojet SAE Smoothing: 0

img · 11-20-2012, 05:48 PM

Looking good Andrew !

VCMpower · 11-20-2012, 05:55 PM

Looking forward to it Andrew!

m3an · 11-20-2012, 06:07 PM

where you guys dyno in FL w/ only 35% humidity?? lol

rjd598 · 11-20-2012, 06:13 PM

That's some power

Chriskm3 · 11-20-2012, 06:24 PM

Nice digits

Bmw135er · 11-20-2012, 08:15 PM

Looks good. PM me the costs involved to upgrade from the gen 1 stage 2 to this kit please.

1SICKM · 11-20-2012, 08:38 PM

Is this the kit Akash is running?

akh23456 · 11-20-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 1SICKM

Is this the kit Akash is running?

Soon I will be but for next week the gt 8555 at atco see you then Scott.

kiloil · 11-20-2012, 08:44 PM

7,8,9,10PSI?

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-20-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1SICKM

Is this the kit Akash is running?

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Originally Posted by kiloil

7,8,9,10PSI?

9-9.5

Superfly_M3 · 11-20-2012, 08:51 PM

Nice power curve - very linear. What is the kit rated at (crank hp)? What happened on run 3? why such a power decrease?

m3an · 11-20-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Superfly_M3

Nice power curve - very linear. What is the kit rated at (crank hp)? What happened on run 3? why such a power decrease?

could be the car is sitting still on a dyno? w/ a FMIC

m3an · 11-20-2012, 09:02 PM

car makes nice torque low and a very nice curve, but 9 psi on stock motor?? of course it's gonna make good power, but for how long?
at a min why not use headgaskets to drop compression a little and run like 12psi?

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-20-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Superfly_M3

Nice power curve - very linear. What is the kit rated at (crank hp)? What happened on run 3? why such a power decrease?

We actually did about 6 runs back to back with 2 minutes in between. The first 3 we got massive tire spin at 5k Rpm.

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-20-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

car makes nice torque low and a very nice curve, but 9 psi on stock motor?? of course it's gonna make good power, but for how long?
at a min why not use headgaskets to drop compression a little and run like 12psi?

It actually runs cooler than the hks stage 2 cars so its not much of a problem. We will also offer level 1's and level 2's to fit the needs of every customer.

New Pricing:

Level 1 $10,800 W/ Intercooler

Level 2 $12,800 W/Intercooler

We beat the hell out of this thing all day running the Level 3 with 9.5 psi in the exact same configuration as the dyno above.

pbonsalb · 11-20-2012, 09:20 PM

That certainly looks very competitive with any of the available kits in terms of power and torque. Boost may be a little higher, but as you note, if the temperatures are fine, another psi won't matter.

m3an · 11-20-2012, 09:23 PM

I get that temps are better, less chance of detonation, but cylinder pressures are still a concern no? Esp on a motor that was never designed to be boosted.. Don't get me wrong, kit looks sick and makes good power just wondering where it ends, and why hasn't someone tried dropping the comp w/ head gaskets just yet prior to going all out and building a motor

VCMpower · 11-20-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

I get that temps are better, less chance of detonation, but cylinder pressures are still a concern no? Esp on a motor that was never designed to be boosted.. Don't get me wrong, kit looks sick and makes good power just wondering where it ends, and why hasn't someone tried dropping the comp w/ head gaskets just yet prior to going all out and building a motor

Can you send me a link as to where I can buy these head gaskets please?

m3an · 11-20-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by VCMpower

Can you send me a link as to where I can buy these head gaskets please?

cometic; although you'd have to contact them as I'm not sure this is an off the shelf item and something that may have to be made

VCMpower · 11-20-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by VCMpower

Can you send me a link as to where I can buy these head gaskets please?

cometic

Thanks. Up to .040, wow. I would like to see a comparo between equal compression setups using the 2 choices. I have built a few race engines over the years and the race engine builder I was schooled under frowned on thicker head gaskets to achieve lower comp( unless head planing was performed).

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-20-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

I get that temps are better, less chance of detonation, but cylinder pressures are still a concern no? Esp on a motor that was never designed to be boosted.. Don't get me wrong, kit looks sick and makes good power just wondering where it ends, and why hasn't someone tried dropping the comp w/ head gaskets just yet prior to going all out and building a motor

Boost pressure is not the key cause of higher cylinder pressure. Flow volume, ignition timing, and cam timing are the most important. The biggest killer of engines is heat. The newer kits run more efficiently than the previous generation and therefore can make more power and maintain the same level of reliability. We are going to continue testing the durability of level 3 before it is officially released. So far things have gone well with atleast 50 dyno pulls in the last couple weeks, along with a full day of drifting.

Using a thicker headgasket would drastically reduce the efficiency of these modern engine's combustion chambers. It worked, with moderate success, on the old inline 6 engines, but does not belong on something like the S65.

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11-20-2012, 06:07 PM	#4
m3an Banned Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,612 iTrader: (2)	where you guys dyno in FL w/ only 35% humidity?? lol

11-20-2012, 06:24 PM	#6
Chriskm3 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: M3 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,783 iTrader: (2)	Nice digits

11-20-2012, 08:15 PM	#7
Bmw135er Major Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,375 iTrader: (9)	Looks good. PM me the costs involved to upgrade from the gen 1 stage 2 to this kit please.

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kiloil Second Lieutenant Drives: 2013 E92 MT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 230 iTrader: (0)	7,8,9,10PSI? __________________ Fair Tax Supporter. 2009 E92 M3 MT (Gone) 2011 4 Runner Limited 4WD (Gone) 1996 4 Runner 4WD (Too sendimental to get rid of) 2013 E92 M3 MT (Current)

11-20-2012, 08:51 PM	#12
Superfly_M3 Captain Drives: 2011 M3 Sedan Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 883 iTrader: (0)	Nice power curve - very linear. What is the kit rated at (crank hp)? What happened on run 3? why such a power decrease?

11-20-2012, 09:02 PM	#14
m3an Banned Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,612 iTrader: (2)	car makes nice torque low and a very nice curve, but 9 psi on stock motor?? of course it's gonna make good power, but for how long? at a min why not use headgaskets to drop compression a little and run like 12psi?

11-20-2012, 09:20 PM	#17
pbonsalb Major Drives: 08 E90 M3, 99 E36 M3 Turbo Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 1,170 iTrader: (3)	That certainly looks very competitive with any of the available kits in terms of power and torque. Boost may be a little higher, but as you note, if the temperatures are fine, another psi won't matter.

11-20-2012, 09:23 PM	#18
m3an Banned Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,612 iTrader: (2)	I get that temps are better, less chance of detonation, but cylinder pressures are still a concern no? Esp on a motor that was never designed to be boosted.. Don't get me wrong, kit looks sick and makes good power just wondering where it ends, and why hasn't someone tried dropping the comp w/ head gaskets just yet prior to going all out and building a motor

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