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      11-15-2012, 04:28 PM   #1
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Arrow Alcon Superkit Brakes vs Brembo GT 380 kit

Hello, anyone had experience with both?
Which kit is build better and perform better ?
Which kit is easier to swap pads in and out ?
How are the paint on the calipers holding up?
How long have you had the kit?
How are the brakes holding up?
Best pad choice for these kit?


Alcon Superkit Brakes Front 384; Rear 370 vs Brembo GT 380 F/R kit

Love to read some good feedback from user with experience

Thanks in advance.

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      11-16-2012, 07:57 AM   #2
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Can't help you with comparing the Alcon and Brembo BBKs but why no for the Performance Friction 372/372 BBK? Its on track performance is awesome...
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I'd get PFC with an unlimited budget or get the Stoptech I have if money is a concern.
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I think when it comes to actual performance, you won't be disappointed with any of the above.
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I'd get PFC with an unlimited budget or get the Stoptech I have if money is a concern.
The price of the PFC BBK is within the price range of the Alcon and Brembo BBKs listed above.

However, I agree with The TECH that any of these kits, plus ST and AP, will perform well on the track.
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I think when it comes to actual performance, you won't be disappointed with any of the above.
To be a little more precise, you won't be able to tell the difference between them. Pad compounds and cooling have a much bigger impact than the name on the box when you're comparing products at that level.

To be pragmatic, focus your research on pad choices and prices. Particularly if you're tracking a lot, those factors become important. For some brands, the range of pad compounds is surprisingly narrow and pricing can be quite breathtaking. For others, you can have any compound you want at a reasonable price.
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I think when it comes to actual performance, you won't be disappointed with any of the above.
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To be a little more precise, you won't be able to tell the difference between them. Pad compounds and cooling have a much bigger impact than the name on the box when you're comparing products at that level.

To be pragmatic, focus your research on pad choices and prices. Particularly if you're tracking a lot, those factors become important. For some brands, the range of pad compounds is surprisingly narrow and pricing can be quite breathtaking. For others, you can have any compound you want at a reasonable price.
Also ease of maintenance. Sometimes I wish I went with a caliper that allowed me to switch front pads without removing the caliper. But I've gotten it down to about 10 minutes per side with the brembos.
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Can't help you with comparing the Alcon and Brembo BBKs but why no for the Performance Friction 372/372 BBK? Its on track performance is awesome...
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I'd get PFC with an unlimited budget or get the Stoptech I have if money is a concern.
Have not hear about PFC before, will looking into it.


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I think when it comes to actual performance, you won't be disappointed with any of the above.
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The price of the PFC BBK is within the price range of the Alcon and Brembo BBKs listed above.

However, I agree with The TECH that any of these kits, plus ST and AP, will perform well on the track.
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To be a little more precise, you won't be able to tell the difference between them. Pad compounds and cooling have a much bigger impact than the name on the box when you're comparing products at that level.

To be pragmatic, focus your research on pad choices and prices. Particularly if you're tracking a lot, those factors become important. For some brands, the range of pad compounds is surprisingly narrow and pricing can be quite breathtaking. For others, you can have any compound you want at a reasonable price.
Which kit and pads do you prefer ?
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Also ease of maintenance. Sometimes I wish I went with a caliper that allowed me to switch front pads without removing the caliper. But I've gotten it down to about 10 minutes per side with the brembos.
If you could go back and chose a different kit, which kit would you have pick instead of the Brembo?
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If you could go back and chose a different kit, which kit would you have pick instead of the Brembo?
It would probably have been between Stoptech Trophy's and the Brembos. I honestly could go with either. I'm happy with my kit though.
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URL regarding the Alcon Super Kit http://www.alconusa.com/client_images/files/92_1177.pdf

I have had both Alcon Super Kit and Brembo GT. The Alcon kit is more aggressive in terms of breaking power. Brake pads matter a lot. I haven't tried the Brembo GTR yet, but the Alcon truly response more aggressive than Brembo GT even with the same pads.

I will pick Carbotech for brake pads because of the price and availability.

Also the size of the rear discs on our cars don't really matter as i believe 70% of the braking power depends on the fronts.

Hope the info is helpful for you.
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Having used AP calipers with a removable top bridge, and PFC calipers with a fixed bridge, I've been able to swap hot brakes (calipers and pads; yes, you need gloves but that's the case with either type of caliper ) in the paddock in the same amount of time - I wouldn't put a heavy "weighting factor" on how pads are installed in a caliper when selecting a brake setup.

JAJ's statement about pad compound availability for a given caliper is definitely more important than how the pad is actually installed. Given the calipers you are considering, the choice of pad compound/material will make a bigger difference in brake feel/pedal firmness, initial bite, release characteristics, modulation, etc, than the caliper itself - yes, there will be advantages/disadvantages of each caliper but finding the "right" pad for your driving/braking style will make the biggest difference! I don't think you'll be disappointed with either brake setup; however, it might take time, and money, to find your favorite pad(s).
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Have the Alcons and have really put them through there paces. Love the brakes, the consistency, the feel, and the stopping power. Brake pad selection is important and have found the carbotechs work well and for half the price of the pagids, but more selections will come on line as this is still a relatively new kit, believe I was the first to get this about 2 years ago. Brakes have survived 2 aggressive track seasons (20+ events) and 2 Chicago winters and seem to be holding up great. Supply line lead times are a bit of an issue ATM, if you need an emergency replacement part may be SOL for a bit , but other than that, I love these brakes. Cannot speak for the brembos, good luck
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URL regarding the Alcon Super Kit http://www.alconusa.com/client_images/files/92_1177.pdf

I have had both Alcon Super Kit and Brembo GT. The Alcon kit is more aggressive in terms of breaking power. Brake pads matter a lot. I haven't tried the Brembo GTR yet, but the Alcon truly response more aggressive than Brembo GT even with the same pads.

I will pick Carbotech for brake pads because of the price and availability.

Also the size of the rear discs on our cars don't really matter as i believe 70% of the braking power depends on the fronts.

Hope the info is helpful for you.
Have you try endless pads? Which kit was easier to swap pads in and out ?


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Having used AP calipers with a removable top bridge, and PFC calipers with a fixed bridge, I've been able to swap hot brakes (calipers and pads; yes, you need gloves but that's the case with either type of caliper ) in the paddock in the same amount of time - I wouldn't put a heavy "weighting factor" on how pads are installed in a caliper when selecting a brake setup.

JAJ's statement about pad compound availability for a given caliper is definitely more important than how the pad is actually installed. Given the calipers you are considering, the choice of pad compound/material will make a bigger difference in brake feel/pedal firmness, initial bite, release characteristics, modulation, etc, than the caliper itself - yes, there will be advantages/disadvantages of each caliper but finding the "right" pad for your driving/braking style will make the biggest difference! I don't think you'll be disappointed with either brake setup; however, it might take time, and money, to find your favorite pad(s).
Which pad was best to go with the BBK kits you have? And do you prefer removable top bridge or fixed bridge?

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Have the Alcons and have really put them through there paces. Love the brakes, the consistency, the feel, and the stopping power. Brake pad selection is important and have found the carbotechs work well and for half the price of the pagids, but more selections will come on line as this is still a relatively new kit, believe I was the first to get this about 2 years ago. Brakes have survived 2 aggressive track seasons (20+ events) and 2 Chicago winters and seem to be holding up great. Supply line lead times are a bit of an issue ATM, if you need an emergency replacement part may be SOL for a bit , but other than that, I love these brakes. Cannot speak for the brembos, good luck
Sound great, how are the paint on the brake calipers holding up?
Does the brake still perform the same from day one?



I appreciate you guys take time to reply and given me very helpful information

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The problem with recommending a pad compound is there are so many different performance variables that rarely do you find two people that like everything about a given pad. I've tried various Carbotech, Hawk, Ferodo, Porterfield and PFC race compounds and, personally, I prefer PFC 01, 03 and 05 pad compounds. For the street I like Carbotech's Bobcat compound; however, I'm currently running PFC's Z-rated street pad.

Fixed vs. removable bridge - most people prefer a removable top bridge because pad changes can be performed without having to remove the caliper. However, after having used both bridge styles, I wouldn't select a caliber based on its bridge design.
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Sound great, how are the paint on the brake calipers holding up?
Does the brake still perform the same from day one?
Paint holding up great, that being said they're gray and match brake dust pretty well and work as good as they did on day one
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URL regarding the Alcon Super Kit http://www.alconusa.com/client_images/files/92_1177.pdf

I have had both Alcon Super Kit and Brembo GT. The Alcon kit is more aggressive in terms of breaking power. Brake pads matter a lot. I haven't tried the Brembo GTR yet, but the Alcon truly response more aggressive than Brembo GT even with the same pads.

I will pick Carbotech for brake pads because of the price and availability.

Also the size of the rear discs on our cars don't really matter as i believe 70% of the braking power depends on the fronts.

Hope the info is helpful for you.
It's really helpful feedback. I will order Alcon Superkit today or tomorrow, but not sure about pads. I have very good experience with yellow Pagids RS29, that are available for Superkit calipers.

By the way, if anyone looking for good offer for Alcon Superkit, I've been searching for long time, and found one of the best here : http://www.jdl-brakes.com/alcon-supe...mw-m3-e92.html They offer free worldwide shipping till end of December, so price on website is final !
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It's really helpful feedback. I will order Alcon Superkit today or tomorrow, but not sure about pads. I have very good experience with yellow Pagids RS29, that are available for Superkit calipers.

By the way, if anyone looking for good offer for Alcon Superkit, I've been searching for long time, and found one of the best here : http://www.jdl-brakes.com/alcon-supe...mw-m3-e92.html They offer free worldwide shipping till end of December, so price on website is final !
Thats a great price for f&r kit. Good find.
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Thats a great price for f&r kit. Good find.
Yes it is ... I couldn't resisit, and my order is on the way to me, can't wait.
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Got mine today !

Very impressed with fast JDL service.





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Got mine today !

Very impressed with fast JDL service.






That brake calipers look like they'll weight 3000lbs
Looks like more for a tank and not a "sportscar"
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