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      11-09-2012, 09:19 AM   #23
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I loved my Eisenmann Race black series, however it did drone and for some reason my Eisenmann was much louder than all the rest I ever heard. Been in others cars with Eis Race and they were much more tame sounding. Been thinking of getting another. Syncd, if youre interested in something more tame and are going to sell/trade let me know.
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I loved my Eisenmann Race black series, however it did drone and for some reason my Eisenmann was much louder than all the rest I ever heard. Been in others cars with Eis Race and they were much more tame sounding. Been thinking of getting another. Syncd, if youre interested in something more tame and are going to sell/trade let me know.
From what I'm reading mine seems louder than others as well, but I don't have anyone to compare against in person.

Did you reuse the stock connecting pipes or bought eisenmann's? Wondering if it could make a difference.
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Sorry to hear your issues. IMO, there are axle-backs that are louder than the Race but don't sound nearly as good. I've certainly not LOST any power, in fact I've hit the gas a couple times since and thank god I had all the nannies on.
I don't think an x-pipe is going to help much but it will change the sound a little.
I only feel a very small dip in the low end, in the top end it seems to pull a bit harder. But that's only my butt dyno. That low end dip seems to be common with the akra as well, and a good tune can fix it it, so I might try that.

The small dip in the low end could be more noticeable the DCT which is not the smoothest at low speed to begin with. I see that you have a manual, and with the manual it might be less noticeable.
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I loved my Eisenmann Race black series, however it did drone and for some reason my Eisenmann was much louder than all the rest I ever heard. Been in others cars with Eis Race and they were much more tame sounding. Been thinking of getting another. Syncd, if youre interested in something more tame and are going to sell/trade let me know.
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From what I'm reading mine seems louder than others as well, but I don't have anyone to compare against in person.

Did you reuse the stock connecting pipes or bought eisenmann's? Wondering if it could make a difference.
Depends on what other exhaust pieces you have.
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As I said, IMO the Sport version is perfect. Maybe you can find someone to trade.
Good to know, I might go that route down the road. I think I'll try a few more things with the race before giving up on it. The M3 is not my DD so I can tolerate the loudness while I try to figure this out.
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From what I'm reading mine seems louder than others as well, but I don't have anyone to compare against in person.

Did you reuse the stock connecting pipes or bought eisenmann's? Wondering if it could make a difference.
I has eisenmann connecting pipes as well. I dont think it would make a difference. Maybe its something with the Black Series...cant think of anything other than that since both of ours seem louder and are Black Series exhausts.
I was completely shocked at how quiet I found the race in another friends car.

Then again now I have a catless resonated x pipe so even with my more mild exhaust (bastuck) it trumps the eisenmann race in volume at any rpm and significantly more so up top..not to mention the power.

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Depends on what other exhaust pieces you have.
My comparo was axel back vs axel back. Mine was significantly louder than the other eisenmann race I heard. So much so that the eisenmann race in a freind's car sounded very tame.
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I loved my Eisenmann Race black series, however it did drone and for some reason my Eisenmann was much louder than all the rest I ever heard. Been in others cars with Eis Race and they were much more tame sounding. Been thinking of getting another. Syncd, if youre interested in something more tame and are going to sell/trade let me know.
From what I'm reading mine seems louder than others as well, but I don't have anyone to compare against in person.

Did you reuse the stock connecting pipes or bought eisenmann's? Wondering if it could make a difference.
Interesting point. I personally am using OEM connecting pipes. I wonder...
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I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger and remove that exhaust already, it looks so good and sounds so good from the outside.

Would a tune or X-pipe reduce the low end drone? Anyone did this and noticed any change?

Also I seem to be noticing a bit of loss of low end torque at around 1500-2k rpm. Am I imagining things? Is this something a tune like the ESS tune could fix?
An x-pipe will undoubtedly make it worse.

As for the power or torque loss, you are imagining it. An axleback alone will not have a noticeable effect on power detectable via but dyno.

I have had ten different exhaust setups in 14 months and I want to try the Eisenmann Race but I can't stand the ugly canisters.

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From what I'm reading mine seems louder than others as well, but I don't have anyone to compare against in person.

Did you reuse the stock connecting pipes or bought eisenmann's? Wondering if it could make a difference.
The connecting pipes will make no difference. The only difference between the OEM ones and Eisenmann as far as sound and performance are concerned is that the Eisenmann ones are shiny.
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The only difference between the OEM ones and Eisenmann as far as sound and performance are concerned is that the Eisenmann ones are shiny.
Shiny is better!
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Shiny is better!
Of course! That's why I qualified the statement with "as far as sound and performance"! No mention of aesthetics!
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Of course! That's why I qualified the statement with "as far as sound and performance"! No mention of aesthetics!
Shiny ALWAYS = more power!! Exhaust gasses can flow much speedier!
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Shiny ALWAYS = more power!! Exhaust gasses can flow much speedier!
Eisenmann polishes the INSIDE of their pipes!?!
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An x-pipe will undoubtedly make it worse.

As for the power or torque loss, you are imagining it. An axleback alone will not have a noticeable effect on power detectable via but dyno.

I have had ten different exhaust setups in 14 months and I want to try the Eisenmann Race but I can't stand the ugly canisters.



The connecting pipes will make no difference. The only difference between the OEM ones and Eisenmann as far as sound and performance are concerned is that the Eisenmann ones are shiny.
Yeah maybe my butt dyno needs some calibration , or I might be going more easily on the throttle since the exhaust is so much louder or something like that.

I like the black series canister, it's pretty much invisible. A bit more pricey though.

The connecting pipes are really nice compared to the stock ones which are flattened at some points. They'll improve the flow for sure but whether that would be an audible or performance difference is another question.
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The connecting pipes are really nice compared to the stock ones which are flattened at some points. They'll improve the flow for sure but whether that would be an audible or performance difference is another question.
The difference in flow will be minimal and therefore the difference in power will be very minimal. The real choke point of the system is the cats.

I really think you would like the Dinan axleback with some test pipes. Power, little to no smell, and good, manageable sound (no drone on the freeway).
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I've been tossing around the idea of getting an Eisenmann Race. Thanks for posting your thoughts. I really want to buy one, but I haven't had the courage to take the loss on my Vanguard exhaust (which I really like) at the risk of the Race being just too obnoxious and me coming right back to a Vanguard.
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I've been tossing around the idea of getting an Eisenmann Race. Thanks for posting your thoughts. I really want to buy one, but I haven't had the courage to take the loss on my Vanguard exhaust (which I really like) at the risk of the Race being just too obnoxious and me coming right back to a Vanguard.
I've decided to not give up on the race just yet and keep it on the car for now. If it keeps toning down as it breaks in it might just get to the right volume. Even though it is on the loud side for my taste right now the tone of this exhaust is just amazing. I think I'll give it a few more hundred miles and see how it goes.
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The difference in flow will be minimal and therefore the difference in power will be very minimal. The real choke point of the system is the cats.

I really think you would like the Dinan axleback with some test pipes. Power, little to no smell, and good, manageable sound (no drone on the freeway).
It was one of the combos I was considering but I didn't dig the look of the Dinan mufflers, and after adding up mufflers + x-pipe + tune it was getting above the budget I had allocated for this exercise. For now I'll give the Eisenmann some more time before switching to something else.
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I've decided to not give up on the race just yet and keep it on the car for now. If it keeps toning down as it breaks in it might just get to the right volume. Even though it is on the loud side for my taste right now the tone of this exhaust is just amazing. I think I'll give it a few more hundred miles and see how it goes.
Glad to hear it. Give it a fair shot. I met up with another forum member today (racedoc11) so he could hear mine and he was sold on the spot. Let it break in. Oddly my drone is minimizing by the day. Very strange 'cause mine isn't new. And no, I'm not becoming less sensative.
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Glad to hear it. Give it a fair shot. I met up with another forum member today (racedoc11) so he could hear mine and he was sold on the spot. Let it break in. Oddly my drone is minimizing by the day. Very strange 'cause mine isn't new. And no, I'm not becoming less sensative.
What is your cruising rpm usually with your 6mt? I noticed that above 3k rpm it's nothing but sweet music, but the drone zone between 2-3k is painful. With DCT I caught myself cruising usually in that worst range, so it looks like I'll have to adapt my driving style to stay out of there.
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Glad to hear it. Give it a fair shot. I met up with another forum member today (racedoc11) so he could hear mine and he was sold on the spot. Let it break in. Oddly my drone is minimizing by the day. Very strange 'cause mine isn't new. And no, I'm not becoming less sensative.
What is your cruising rpm usually with your 6mt? I noticed that above 3k rpm it's nothing but sweet music, but the drone zone between 2-3k is painful. With DCT I caught myself cruising usually in that worst range, so it looks like I'll have to adapt my driving style to stay out of there.
I'm generally anywhere within the 2.5k rpm to 3.5k rpm range when cruising. I barely register the drone anymore. All I hear is how this car should sound when it leaves Regensburg.
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I heard the race was de toned to a lower db level?

I presume this was the de toned version unless its old stock?

Does anyone have any idea when this was changed over. I'm thinking of getting the race but I'm a bit put off by this being quieter. Want that beast note that it had before!
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