M3 crash - Page 2

per · 11-07-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ortho281

Sorry to hear this. Glad everyone is ok. I had a near miss on track when front pads gave out. Now I have track insurance. Did you have track insurance or will your auto insurance cover damages on track?

I had a track insurance,but i believe the inscurance company are going to raise the cost, the week before 2 new M5 F10 was totaled

per · 11-07-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisDUS

How old is your brake fluid?

Mine behaves similar after GP track action. After standstill the brake pedal is very soft and almost falls down. It is due to the old brake liquid, at least in my case.

I had some race brake liquid, but i didn´t helpin this case , the hole in the brake caliper was big enough to empty the system

italyix · 11-07-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by per

I had some race brake liquid, but i didn´t helpin this case , the hole in the brake caliper was big enough to empty the system

I see you have a BBK...stainless steel lines used? If so, whatever sliced the hoses what sharp

Glad ur OK though!!! Live to race another day

VSmotorsports · 11-07-2012, 02:10 PM

wow, glad you are okay

per · 11-07-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by italyix

I see you have a BBK...stainless steel lines used? If so, whatever sliced the hoses what sharp

Glad ur OK though!!! Live to race another day

Yes , i had stainless lines, i guess it was a metalpiece of some kind,
and it must have happened somewhere on the straight, the brakes worked perfect before

Mr. ///M3 RD · 11-07-2012, 02:12 PM

Happy you are able to tell us all about it and you and your passengier are okay.

Take good care!

positiveions · 11-07-2012, 02:18 PM

wowwww. man.. glad you are ok buddy

HeartMD · 11-07-2012, 02:25 PM

Sorry to hear this man. Glad you are ok as cars can be fixed or replaced.

bubu · 11-07-2012, 02:33 PM

Did your supercharger survive?

CarbonFoot · 11-07-2012, 02:41 PM

Wow! Sorry to hear about your accident, but glad you are here to tell about it.

On side note - I had no idea our front fenders were some sort of composite material that could shatter like that.

karussell · 11-07-2012, 02:45 PM

glad you are ok. something grinding through the caliper body long enough to put a hole in it without you noticing until failure sounds pretty unlikely though. if there is that much friction you would feel it and likely smell it. plenty of cars run with minimum clearance between caliper and wheel. just need to get a sheet of paper clearance. still in racing shit happens. proof in pictures would go a long way. otherwise sounds like maybe you were going too fast for your experience and/or condition of the car. doesn't help that you picked up a friend right before.

per · 11-07-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by karussell

glad you are ok. something grinding through the caliper body long enough to put a hole in it without you noticing until failure sounds pretty unlikely though. if there is that much friction you would feel it and likely smell it. plenty of cars run with minimum clearance between caliper and wheel. just need to get a sheet of paper clearance. still in racing shit happens. proof in pictures would go a long way. otherwise sounds like maybe you were going too fast for your experience and/or condition of the car. doesn't help that you picked up a friend right before.

I was thinking the same thing did i make a misstake? , everything happens realy fast when you are going 200+ and have sharp right turn in front of you.
But they showed me at the BMW shop afterwords how the brake fluid flushed out of a hole in the left brake caliper .
Actually felt good to know that it wasn´t my fault , just bad luck.
I have a crappy iphone movie of the fluid flushing out when pressing the brake pedal, i might post it later

Edjay · 11-07-2012, 03:14 PM

Could have been something got stuck between the caliper and wheel such as wheel weight coming loose. It doesnt have to be over time. Just that instant that the object struck the caliper it pokes a hole or cracked the hoising enough cause the leak. I would like to see the hole if possible.

Glad everyone is ok

Sunggin · 11-07-2012, 04:41 PM

Glad that you're alright.

Amri215 · 11-07-2012, 04:43 PM

Thats a bad wreck, good you didnt get hurt

Superfly_M3 · 11-07-2012, 05:43 PM

Wow, glad you're ok.

Doesn't BMW have a failsafe on their brake system? In theory every car should have this. A cross link between RF and LR, or maybe front and back. This type of system is designed specifically for these applications - when you have a puncture and all fluid doesn't gush out at the same time. I know Volvo cars have that.

Also, after you started sliding, did you notice any "Brake Fluid" notification on the dash?

I had my brakes fail on me at 140km/h in a 2005 Volvo V50. Same situation, pedal to the floor. I was able to get very little braking power by pumping the brakes. Eventually came to a safe stop. The reason for failure was a punctured (non-stainless steel line) brake line. After applying the brake, I had brief stopping power, and then a solid thumb of brakes letting go and pedal down on the floor. The brake warning came on ~15 seconds after I lost my brakes. So much for the safest car in the world.

Good to hear you're ok. Can you post some pictures of where the puncture happened? What type of calipers did you use?

luv135i · 11-07-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nati Beastcat

First of all glad you're safe. Second question is how is this explained to insurance? What do they cover if at all?

Your standard auto policy does not cover track days nor does it cover i you hit the wall at the drag strip. Your suppose to have a seperate endorsement for that. Thats not to say some shady tow drivers wont dump you off in thr middle of no where in a ditch.

JohnnyRoaster · 11-07-2012, 06:21 PM

In the states in depends on your insurer. If it is a sanctioned driver's training event it "may" be covered. Track insurance is always a safer bet.

GIdriver · 11-07-2012, 07:38 PM

Man, that sucks!!! Sorry for what happened, but glad you and the passenger are fine.

p-streets · 11-07-2012, 08:06 PM

glad everyone is ok but

about the car sad to see car

ZRODDICK · 11-07-2012, 08:29 PM

Sorry to hear that. Glad you are ok.

CanAutM3 · 11-07-2012, 08:46 PM

Very sorry for your loss

, and glad YOU are OK.

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11-07-2012, 02:25 PM	#30
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11-07-2012, 02:45 PM	#33
karussell Captain Drives: 4 wheels Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 698 iTrader: (0)	glad you are ok. something grinding through the caliper body long enough to put a hole in it without you noticing until failure sounds pretty unlikely though. if there is that much friction you would feel it and likely smell it. plenty of cars run with minimum clearance between caliper and wheel. just need to get a sheet of paper clearance. still in racing shit happens. proof in pictures would go a long way. otherwise sounds like maybe you were going too fast for your experience and/or condition of the car. doesn't help that you picked up a friend right before. __________________ "It gave you amazing satisfaction, but anyone who says he loved it is either a liar or he wasn't going fast enough." - Jackie Stewart on racing at the Nurburgring

11-07-2012, 06:21 PM	#40
JohnnyRoaster Captain Drives: 09 Jerez Black M3 Sedan Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Outside Beantown Posts: 940 iTrader: (0)	In the states in depends on your insurer. If it is a sanctioned driver's training event it "may" be covered. Track insurance is always a safer bet. __________________

11-07-2012, 02:10 PM	#26
VSmotorsports Lieutenant Colonel Drives: e92 M3 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Schaumburg, IL Posts: 1,638 iTrader: (3)	wow, glad you are okay

11-07-2012, 02:33 PM	#31
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11-07-2012, 02:41 PM	#32
CarbonFoot First Lieutenant Drives: 2009 E90 M3 DCT Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: CA - Bay Area Posts: 329 iTrader: (0)	Wow! Sorry to hear about your accident, but glad you are here to tell about it. On side note - I had no idea our front fenders were some sort of composite material that could shatter like that.

11-07-2012, 03:14 PM	#35
Edjay Second Lieutenant Drives: 08 E90 AW, 76 2002 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Sacoftomatoes Ca Posts: 294 iTrader: (0)	Could have been something got stuck between the caliper and wheel such as wheel weight coming loose. It doesnt have to be over time. Just that instant that the object struck the caliper it pokes a hole or cracked the hoising enough cause the leak. I would like to see the hole if possible. Glad everyone is ok

11-07-2012, 04:41 PM	#36
Sunggin Sunggin Drives: 08 BMW E90 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 96 iTrader: (5)	Glad that you're alright.

11-07-2012, 04:43 PM	#37
Amri215 Banned Drives: 2012 Alpine White M3 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 161 iTrader: (0)	Thats a bad wreck, good you didnt get hurt

11-07-2012, 05:43 PM	#38
Superfly_M3 Captain Drives: 2011 M3 Sedan Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 882 iTrader: (0)	Wow, glad you're ok. Doesn't BMW have a failsafe on their brake system? In theory every car should have this. A cross link between RF and LR, or maybe front and back. This type of system is designed specifically for these applications - when you have a puncture and all fluid doesn't gush out at the same time. I know Volvo cars have that. Also, after you started sliding, did you notice any "Brake Fluid" notification on the dash? I had my brakes fail on me at 140km/h in a 2005 Volvo V50. Same situation, pedal to the floor. I was able to get very little braking power by pumping the brakes. Eventually came to a safe stop. The reason for failure was a punctured (non-stainless steel line) brake line. After applying the brake, I had brief stopping power, and then a solid thumb of brakes letting go and pedal down on the floor. The brake warning came on ~15 seconds after I lost my brakes. So much for the safest car in the world. Good to hear you're ok. Can you post some pictures of where the puncture happened? What type of calipers did you use?

11-07-2012, 07:38 PM	#41
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