SC confused ! - Page 19

m3an · 11-07-2012, 12:20 PM

you guys really think prices just drop for older platforms (meanwhile they're all using similar components) right lol. Only a fool would believe that. E46 m3 kits are now cheaper cause the cars are cheaper and the owners are now cheaper as the cars become more affordable. I mean, shit, it's pretty hard to sell a 12k SC kit for a car that now can be had for 15k right?

perfect example= IND/ m24 oil cooler which is ridiculously priced and meanwhile you could by a custom Mocal and just use AN fittings and lines for a HUGE discount.

Team Plutonium · 11-07-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

you guys really think prices just drop for older platforms (meanwhile they're all using similar components) right lol. Only a fool would believe that. E46 m3 kits are now cheaper cause the cars are cheaper and the owners are now cheaper as the cars become more affordable. I mean, shit, it's pretty hard to sell a 12k SC kit for a car that now can be had for 15k right?

Alright, so where is the issue then? You wanna mod on a budget simply wait until the new models are out. If you wanna mod the current model you pay the premium for parts. I think that's a solid and fair choice... no one is forcing you to upgrade anything. It's not like the car requires you to upgrade in order to enjoy it.

I agree with you that things are pretty expensive, but you gotta pay to play. And again, in the end, these cars hardly need any modifications in order to have fun with them.

m3an · 11-07-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Alright, so where is the issue then? You wanna mod on a budget simply wait until the new models are out. If you wanna mod the current model you pay the premium for parts. I think that's a solid and fair choice... no one is forcing you to upgrade anything. It's not like the car requires you to upgrade in order to enjoy it.

I agree with you that things are pretty expensive, but you gotta pay to play. And again, in the end, these cars hardly need any modifications in order to have fun with them.

right, that's kind of my point. I do like to complain, but just cause we drive M3 doesn't mean we like to throw money around. I work my ass off, and for some vendors justification of pricing is just wrong. I'd rather be told, "oh you drive an m3? Price just went up about 1k" than the whole mantra of why pricing is what it is.

Team Plutonium · 11-07-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

right, that's kind of my point. I do like to complain, but just cause we drive M3 doesn't mean we like to throw money around. I work my ass off, and for some vendors justification of pricing is just wrong. I'd rather be told, "oh you drive an m3? Price just went up about 1k" than the whole mantra of why pricing is what it is.

But that applies to every sports car... obviously paying $20K for maintenance on a Ferrari is hardly justified, but that's what you get when you buy one. Look at Weistec - same costs for their SC's and other upgrades for the AMG range, it is simply across all brands; nothing will ever change that. So I really can't get upset about it. If I think the cost is not justified (for any product) - I just don't buy it, simple as that.

m3an · 11-07-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

But that applies to every sports car... obviously paying $20K for maintenance on a Ferrari is hardly justified, but that's what you get when you buy one. Look at Weistec - same costs for their SC's and other upgrades for the AMG range, it is simply across all brands; nothing will ever change that. So I really can't get upset about it. If I think the cost is not justified (for any product) - I just don't buy it, simple as that.

yeah don't even get me started there. I used to do some work w/ Ferrari/Maserati dealers and was BLOWN AWAY at the cost for things OEM, let alone A/M. But it is what it is, as said before: As long there is a customer in line waiting to shell out $$ for something cool/unique they'll be someone there to sell it to them. Esp. if your car of choice is a Ferrari; now we just added two extra 0s to the invoice

m33 · 11-07-2012, 01:46 PM

Wow .... Now everyone in a company genius ...

Dude .... The consumer always gets shafted PERIOD !
And for you to say what and where comes from makes no sence !
It's simple .. Yes & no , product & money , jack and Jill , get my drift ?
Other wise everyone would work from home utilizing their electricity for business and personal use , its like killing two birds with one stone " which I don't agree with I love birds "

m3an · 11-07-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by m33

Wow .... Now everyone in a company genius ...

Dude .... The consumer always gets shafted PERIOD !
And for you to say what and where comes from makes no sence !
It's simple .. Yes & no , product & money , jack and Jill , get my drift ?
Other wise everyone would work from home utilizing their electricity for business and personal use , its like killing two birds with one stone " which I don't agree with I love birds "

I read this and laughed out loud while saying WTF at the same time.

Longboarder · 11-07-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

Again its demand as well, people will charge X amount as long as they're are people they're willing to spend it.

You just said it... it's simple price elasticity. And in that regard, nothing else matters...not R&D, not overhead, not price of the underlying parts, etc. If you don't like the price, don't buy it.

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-08-2012, 05:59 PM

I'm not ready to make a new thread just yet on the improvements we have been making with our kits, but just to show you guys this is why you cannot compare boost in the manifold to others blowers.

After tuning and putting the stock rims back on we make a constant 535 On our mustang dyno on 9.5 psi. This will equal around 580-590whp on a Dynojet.

Bmw135er · 11-08-2012, 07:24 PM

So was the belt slipping on the HKS run? Boost shouldn't taper on that, correct?

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-08-2012, 07:30 PM

At that boost it does fall off at the top. There was No belt slip whatsoever in these runs.

pbonsalb · 11-08-2012, 07:37 PM

I think this is on the low compression motor that is less efficient. If so, it should do better on a stock compression motor, which would be more efficient and run less boost.

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-08-2012, 08:02 PM

No this is our show car. 100% stock engine

Excuse the mess we are getting it re -wrapped.

pbonsalb · 11-08-2012, 08:13 PM

Wow. I did not know tuners were running 10-11 psi peak boost on stock 12.0:1 motors on pump gas.

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-08-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Wow. I did not know tuners were running 10-11 psi peak boost on stock 12.0:1 motors on pump gas.

We were trying to see the capabilities of the blower during testing. It's currently running 9-9.5 psi

m33 · 11-09-2012, 08:20 AM

Nice power gain

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-09-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by m33

Nice power gain

Thank you.

Omar@VelosDesignwerks · 11-09-2012, 10:05 AM

Nice work, keep it up.

img · 11-09-2012, 10:07 AM

Very impressive running 10-11 PSI on stock internals !

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 11-09-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by img

Very impressive running 10-11 PSI on stock internals !

Someone has to test the blower to its limit.

schnell325 · 11-09-2012, 11:11 AM

Damn, go on vacation and come back to this!

Very nice!

VCMpower · 11-09-2012, 02:04 PM

All sorts of awesomeness!

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Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

No this is our show car. 100% stock engine

Excuse the mess we are getting it re -wrapped.

11-07-2012, 12:20 PM	#397
m3an Banned Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,612 iTrader: (2)	you guys really think prices just drop for older platforms (meanwhile they're all using similar components) right lol. Only a fool would believe that. E46 m3 kits are now cheaper cause the cars are cheaper and the owners are now cheaper as the cars become more affordable. I mean, shit, it's pretty hard to sell a 12k SC kit for a car that now can be had for 15k right? perfect example= IND/ m24 oil cooler which is ridiculously priced and meanwhile you could by a custom Mocal and just use AN fittings and lines for a HUGE discount. Last edited by m3an; 11-07-2012 at 12:29 PM.

11-08-2012, 05:59 PM	#405
Andrew@ActiveAutowerke BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: 135i N55 Fbo Meth + E85 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Miami Fl Posts: 2,339 iTrader: (3)	I'm not ready to make a new thread just yet on the improvements we have been making with our kits, but just to show you guys this is why you cannot compare boost in the manifold to others blowers. After tuning and putting the stock rims back on we make a constant 535 On our mustang dyno on 9.5 psi. This will equal around 580-590whp on a Dynojet. __________________

11-08-2012, 07:30 PM	#407
Andrew@ActiveAutowerke BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: 135i N55 Fbo Meth + E85 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Miami Fl Posts: 2,339 iTrader: (3)	At that boost it does fall off at the top. There was No belt slip whatsoever in these runs. __________________

11-08-2012, 08:02 PM	#409
Andrew@ActiveAutowerke BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: 135i N55 Fbo Meth + E85 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Miami Fl Posts: 2,339 iTrader: (3)	No this is our show car. 100% stock engine Excuse the mess we are getting it re -wrapped. __________________ Last edited by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke; 11-08-2012 at 08:07 PM.

11-09-2012, 10:07 AM	#415
img VT3 Drives: E36 M3 Track car,Ess E90 M3 DD Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Couch Posts: 5,866 iTrader: (5)	Very impressive running 10-11 PSI on stock internals ! __________________ NO FEAR.NO LIMITS.NO EQUAL Ess VT3 LC built motor,Volk TE37SL,Challenge modefied Xpipe,Akra axle back CF tips. LOW BOOST 60-130 6.7 sec

11-07-2012, 01:46 PM	#402
m33 Banned Drives: E92 VT650 MCB Individual Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CT Posts: 2,679 iTrader: (5)	Wow .... Now everyone in a company genius ... Dude .... The consumer always gets shafted PERIOD ! And for you to say what and where comes from makes no sence ! It's simple .. Yes & no , product & money , jack and Jill , get my drift ? Other wise everyone would work from home utilizing their electricity for business and personal use , its like killing two birds with one stone " which I don't agree with I love birds "

11-08-2012, 07:24 PM	#406
Bmw135er Major Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,371 iTrader: (9)	So was the belt slipping on the HKS run? Boost shouldn't taper on that, correct?

11-08-2012, 07:37 PM	#408
pbonsalb Major Drives: 08 E90 M3, 99 E36 M3 Turbo Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 1,170 iTrader: (3)	I think this is on the low compression motor that is less efficient. If so, it should do better on a stock compression motor, which would be more efficient and run less boost.

11-08-2012, 08:13 PM	#410
pbonsalb Major Drives: 08 E90 M3, 99 E36 M3 Turbo Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 1,170 iTrader: (3)	Wow. I did not know tuners were running 10-11 psi peak boost on stock 12.0:1 motors on pump gas.

11-09-2012, 08:20 AM	#412
m33 Banned Drives: E92 VT650 MCB Individual Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CT Posts: 2,679 iTrader: (5)	Nice power gain

11-09-2012, 10:05 AM	#414
Omar@VelosDesignwerks BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: M3 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 671 iTrader: (1)	Nice work, keep it up.

11-09-2012, 11:11 AM	#417
schnell325 Bored at work.... Drives: '08 M3,'11 335xi Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BC Posts: 3,400 iTrader: (5)	Damn, go on vacation and come back to this! Very nice! __________________ 2008 SG E92 M3 6MT AA Stage 2 w/ Meth 2011 SG E90 335xi 6MT 2007 SG E70 X5 4.8is

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