SC confused ! - Page 18

Donbona · 11-07-2012, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Marashco

Zoeb, keep sticking your head up Jason’s ass and licking his nuts; complained about my posts and got me banned.

But truth is your wheels are made in Red China pieces of shit with ZERO quality standards. We all know it. Only those looking to end up with a catastrophic failure would buy them, that’s why only noobs are interested in your wheels.

Jason your forum is a SCAM.., STOP banning members for speaking the truth, STOP sucking vendor dick, who pay you. Be a man, not a punk, ya fucking jerk-off.

YOU WILL NEVER SHUT DOWN THE REAL NAPSTER!!!!!! .

WTF??

Kriston · 11-07-2012, 07:57 AM

Da fuck do you have to do with this thread?

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Originally Posted by Marashco

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m33 · 11-07-2012, 08:02 AM

I bet you Ilia can scoop something up

m33 · 11-07-2012, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Marashco

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WTF ??? Who is Zeob ??
That sounds like a hair care product

Donbona · 11-07-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by m33

WTF ??? Who is Zeob ??
That sounds like a hair care product

Zeob is a wheel vendor on here.

img · 11-07-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Marashco

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m33 · 11-07-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Donbona

Zeob is a wheel vendor on here.

What.... More wrong doing company's are surfacing ???
This is a job for
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Team Plutonium · 11-07-2012, 09:14 AM

Donbona · 11-07-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by m33

What.... More wrong doing company's are surfacing ???
This is a job for
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Yeah but because this guy is a vendor he is ok but the guy who gets screwed is the customer because he gets banned and this doesn't help the rest of us. We should be able to hear the customers side.

Team Plutonium · 11-07-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Donbona

Yeah but because this guy is a vendor he is ok but the guy who gets screwed is the customer because he gets banned and this doesn't help the rest of us. We should be able to hear the customers side.

Dude, tons of vendors get shit on here on a regular basis... ADV.1 got an epic beat-down, so I really don't buy these conspiracy theories. That dick is spamming the f@ck out of the forum right now, that is definitely not helping his cause.

m33 · 11-07-2012, 10:11 AM

I am so with you !!
But I think the made in china say's it all

Donbona · 11-07-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Dude, tons of vendors get shit on here on a regular basis... ADV.1 got an epic beat-down, so I really don't buy these conspiracy theories. That dick is spamming the f@ck out of the forum right now, that is definitely not helping his cause.

I agree with you on the spamming..... But I guess if it was me I wold be really pissed too.

m3an · 11-07-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Donbona

Look at the parts it takes to SC a E9x compared to the E46 for starters.

what diff? Each requires a mani, blower, tune, Oh yeah, the s65 need 2 extra injectors.

Fact is all things made for BMW (and esp M cars) are overpriced.

m3an · 11-07-2012, 11:53 AM

also FlipM3 is the biggest Evolve fanboi here and to be fair, Sal made some silly posts a few weeks ago almost to the point of sounding condescedning to others. Why don't you say the same to him?

m3an · 11-07-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

We have worked to keep pricing as low as we can to date. Last I checked our current mix offers some of the best performance value for the dollar on the market. We continue to find more cost effective ways to build the parts we make in house and negotiate pricing on the parts we do not like the blowers. When we are successful at doing this we pass the savings to our customers. We know that cars get older and cheaper and we have to always find ways to deliver a very high quality product at reasonable pricing.

The E46 M3 kits for example sells now for thousands less than it did years ago, it took time but over the years we were able to lower our production costs on it and we continue to even today.

Price lowers as the car ages and becomes more affordable and now adjustments are made to the "newer" clientel who is purchasing the car. This is economies of scale simply put. Same reason why an e46 is cheaper now than it was a few years ago. Yes you SC kits are the most affordable; but nothing is cheap on these platforms and I still think 10k for a SC is a wee bit high priced.. .And don't give me the whole paying for a buisness and r&d blah blah blah... that is the cost of doing business (overhead) and should be absorbed by the business and not passed to consumer. I deal w/ this shit on a daily basis and always tell guys to pound sand when they ask me for more money due to their location which costs money to maintain.

Team Plutonium · 11-07-2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

Price lowers as the car ages and becomes more affordable and now adjustments are made to the "newer" clientel who is purchasing the car. This is economies of scale simply put. Same reason why an e46 is cheaper now than it was a few years ago. Yes you SC kits are the most affordable; but nothing is cheap on these platforms and I still think 10k for a SC is a wee bit high priced.. .And don't give me the whole paying for a buisness and r&d blah blah blah... that is the cost of doing business (overhead) and should be absorbed by the business and not passed to consumer. I deal w/ this shit on a daily basis and always tell guys to pound sand when they ask me for more money due to their location which costs money to maintain.

In what world do you live in? Pretty much every business is doing that. Welcome to reality.

Donbona · 11-07-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

what diff? Each requires a mani, blower, tune, Oh yeah, the s65 need 2 extra injectors.

Fact is all things made for BMW (and esp M cars) are overpriced.

Well the plenum is a very expensive part which also depends on the material it's made from.... The carbon air box on mine is very pricey I guess. Also GPower has different spark plugs which are ridiculously expensive.

But as for being overpriced, I have to agree because I am the consumer

Although I have seen first hand what kind of work goes into the R&D side and you can understand why the price is so. Some companies can spend over £100k on R&D so think of how many kits they have to sell to get a return let alone a profit.

m3an · 11-07-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

In what world do you live in? Pretty much every business is doing that. Welcome to reality.

I live on earth thanks. And I have been very successful w/ in m world. My point is that in business ( i deal w/ paying people for services) every business owner I come across wants me to foot the bill for their lights/electric/overhead which are the costs of running a business. Not saying you can't charge a premium, but telling people years later that you're still paying for R&D which has been accomplished years ago or time and time again is not right.

Donbona · 11-07-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

In what world do you live in? Pretty much every business is doing that. Welcome to reality.

+1

I own a manufacturing company, we spend at least half a million on equipment/machinery and we are a small family business, so we have to make our money from somewhere

Donbona · 11-07-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

but telling people years later that you're still paying for R&D which has been accomplished years ago or time and time again is not right.

Ok I see your point on this part.

Team Plutonium · 11-07-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

I live on earth thanks. And I have been very successful w/ in m world. My point is that in business ( i deal w/ paying people for services) every business owner I come across wants me to foot the bill for their lights/electric/overhead which are the costs of running a business. Not saying you can't charge a premium, but telling people years later that you're still paying for R&D which has been accomplished years ago or time and time again is not right.

R&D doesn't just apply to one particular product, so that argument really doesn't work. R&D applies to the entire product range, I don't think you can really itemize these things. Based on that logic you should be able to buy the new Porsche 911 for half the price after a year or so.

m3an · 11-07-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

I live on earth thanks. And I have been very successful w/ in m world. My point is that in business ( i deal w/ paying people for services) every business owner I come across wants me to foot the bill for their lights/electric/overhead which are the costs of running a business. Not saying you can't charge a premium, but telling people years later that you're still paying for R&D which has been accomplished years ago or time and time again is not right.

read again; I am not discounting someone making a profit; I am; however, arguing the point that all you hear is, "oh it's R&D, I need to charge and bang you over the head". Sad part is half the people hear are sheep and just drop their cars off to a shop to get all the work done and pick it up and gladly pay a bill. Companies will charge the most they can willfully get, so in essence people in this community add to the problem as they are willing to spend it. You guys really think an X-pipe has tons of R&D and is worth $1,500?? C'mon, it's sad. I know from experience and have done ALL the work on my own car. Many others gladly pay for services as they couldn't change their own oil.

My point to this rant is that the BMW and specifically M tax is getting ridiculous w/ little justification.

Again its demand as well, people will charge X amount as long as they're are people they're willing to spend it.

And bringing up the 911 comparo is not correct. I am talking more along the lines of A/M companies/parts

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m33 Banned Drives: E92 VT650 MCB Individual Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CT Posts: 2,677 iTrader: (5)	I bet you Ilia can scoop something up

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m3an Banned Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,612 iTrader: (2)	also FlipM3 is the biggest Evolve fanboi here and to be fair, Sal made some silly posts a few weeks ago almost to the point of sounding condescedning to others. Why don't you say the same to him?