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      11-02-2012, 03:19 PM   #89
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Hitting the corner apex at 6800rpm!! LOL Where it counts






[quote=DLSJ5;12931705]Until we see proof otherwise, the HKS / Rotrex kits will not make as much peak power, and will not make as much power where it counts in the power band on the S65,
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The 535 kit that he ran away from in the video?

He doesn't have slicks and he didn't launch what did you expect to happen at a 1/4 mile event?
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Andrew, again why are you boasting about AA's highest rated kit vs ESS' lowest rated kit? Any objective person would find this a bit odd, and perhaps misleading. Nothing wrong with the run, I enjoyed it, but when one car is running more boost, you would think the outcome would be as is it was, also I'm not sure why LM started in 3rd gear at those speeds, but I wasn't there, maybe he wasn't hooking in 2nd.

Forget the ET, but slicks are not going to improve your traps significantly on this car if you are hooking most of the way down the track. In the vids AK's car has no trouble going through all the gears, the ESS cars were on street tires during some of the runs as well, and trapped higher, but don't you find it odd that ESS' lowest rated kit with a slightly smaller pulley, still slightly out trapped AA's highest rated kit and most visible car with more boost, same day, same track?
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Hitting the corner apex at 6800rpm!! LOL Where it counts
Fair enough, for you that's where it counts, but for the VAST MAJORITY of people who buy kits, that's not what they're using them for.
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Fair enough, for you that's where it counts, but for the VAST MAJORITY of people who buy kits, that's not what they're using them for.
You still can't get all the power down of any sc kit
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You still can't get all the power down of any sc kit
Please explain??
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You still can't get all the power down of any sc kit
Sure you can, unless it's cold outside or you have bald tires. From a 2nd gear roll, with RE11's or R888's the car hooks in 60+ degree weather. But you make a good point, BIG power on this car is somewhat pointless, you'll be hard pressed to enjoy the car at low speeds unless you run DR's all the time, even then they're not great unless heated up.
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Sure you can, unless it's cold outside or you have bald tires. From a 2nd gear roll, with RE11's or R888's the car hooks in 60+ degree weather. But you make a good point, BIG power on this car is somewhat pointless, you'll be hard pressed to enjoy the car at low speeds unless you run DR's all the time, even then they're not great unless heated up.
Sorry around a track!!
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Sorry around a track!!
LOL, I don't track the car, so good point!
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When I do rolling second gear runs at 40mph I get traction, I'm running super sports
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When I do rolling second gear runs at 40mph I get traction, I'm running super sports
I hear those are good tires Taz.
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I hear those are good tires Taz.
So far the best I've had bro
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Yep, I love BIG power, but on the track it sure adds a extra level of concentration theft



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      11-02-2012, 05:49 PM   #101
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Andrew, again why are you boasting about AA's highest rated kit vs ESS' lowest rated kit? Any objective person would find this a bit odd, and perhaps misleading. Nothing wrong with the run, I enjoyed it, but when one car is running more boost, you would think the outcome would be as is it was, also I'm not sure why LM started in 3rd gear at those speeds, but I wasn't there, maybe he wasn't hooking in 2nd.

Forget the ET, but slicks are not going to improve your traps significantly on this car if you are hooking most of the way down the track. In the vids AK's car has no trouble going through all the gears, the ESS cars were on street tires during some of the runs as well, and trapped higher, but don't you find it odd that ESS' lowest rated kit with a slightly smaller pulley, still slightly out trapped AA's highest rated kit and most visible car with more boost, same day, same track?
I was pointing out that the 1/4 mile requires a certain amount of skill and the need to really push the car to achieve a great time and trap speed.

It doesn't really make sense for you to boast about a 535 kit beating our 625 kit at the track, but then whining about the car only being a 535 kit when Akash beat him by cars in a fair 3rd gear dct street race. Learn to take a loss you cant win every time.

By the way Lost marine is putting out 500 Whp, so it is far from the lowest kit.
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The S65's REAL power range, except from a dig, 1st gear ONLY, is ~6500/6800 to redline, the Vortech kits generally make more there, at times with less boost, WHERE IT COUNTS ..... but I'd say most people buy a SC'r kit to go faster in a straight line, not for track use, and until someone actually proves otherwise, the Vortech is the better blower for the S65 in that respect.
I don't agree with this. Not everything is about straight line acceleration. Similarly, not everyone who buys a SC kit cares only about straight line acceleration, but for some reason, this seems to be the only comparisson. Also, many people with SC kits track their cars on a circuit. I think when people purchase a SC kit, there are many variables to it, including reliability, power, how it behaves as a daily driver, heat soaking, what kind of support/warranty it comes with, and many many other variables. To be fair, if you want straight line acceleration, there are cheaper, better options compared to an M3. The M3 shines in handling just as much as it shines in power and finesse.

What I am trying to say is that this is turning into a cheap pissing match - which it shouldn't. Getting back on topic, the OP asked about superchargers in general ... and he also already made his decision. The job of this forum is to be informative. Vendors and members should give their own input and leave it at that. If someone starts trashing one brand over the other this will turn ugly.

Just my opinion.
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It must not be his daily driver if he thinks 6800+ rpm is the only place it counts. I personally sit in traffic 5 days a week with a few runs to the next traffic light.
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I was pointing out that the 1/4 mile requires a certain amount of skill and the need to really push the car to achieve a great time and trap speed.

It doesn't really make sense for you to boast about a 535 kit beating our 625 kit at the track, but then whining about the car only being a 535 kit when Akash beat him by cars in a fair 3rd gear dct street race. Learn to take a loss you cant win every time.

By the way Lost marine is putting out 500 Whp, so it is far from the lowest kit.
How is it a loss when the ess kit is 535 and the aa kit is 625? From 3ed gear I would expect your 625 kit to win and if think that's a good win.....well there's something wrong with you
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How is it a loss when the ess kit is 535 and the aa kit is 625? From 3ed gear I would expect your 625 kit to win and if think that's a good win.....well there's something wrong with you
I expected it to win as well. Still a loss no? The 535 kit also beat the 600 kit for almost 75% of the run as well.

Like I said it shows Lost marines skill at the 1/4 track
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I expected it to win as well. Still a loss no? The 535 kit also beat the 600 kit for almost 75% of the run as well.

Like I said it shows Lost marines skill at the 1/4 track
Or maybe ur kits have nothing on ess down low...
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Or maybe ur kits have nothing on ess down low...
I won't entertain you.
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I won't entertain you.
Just saying there's heaps of things it could have been! Not all active drives aren't as good as the ess ones
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I was pointing out that the 1/4 mile requires a certain amount of skill and the need to really push the car to achieve a great time and trap speed.
Are you inferring that AK doesn't have these skills? Obviously he does as he has ran a great time and trap prior to this, he beat my ET which was the WR for a decent amount of time, of course in much better air, but obviously he is more than capable and knows what he's doing. If you understand these cars, you would know that DCT does not require that much skill to get a decent trap speed.

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It doesn't really make sense for you to boast about a 535 kit beating our 625 kit at the track, but then whining about the car only being a 535 kit when Akash beat him by cars in a fair 3rd gear dct street race. Learn to take a loss you cant win every time.
I didn't boast about it, I simply pointed out objectively that it slightly out trapped or matched your best kit, and most conspicuous car. Don't you think it's more impressive when a lower rated kit out performs the higher rated kit and not the other way around? Never whined about it either, don't put words in people's mouths and spin things Andrew, try being objective it will better suite you. I didn't loose it's not my car, unlike YOU I have no skin in this tuner game and as I said I had no problem with the result, it was expected. If you remember you agreed with me that starting in the wrong gear will affect that outcome, if you consider that "whining" then there's no point of having a conversation with you about this.

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By the way Lost marine is putting out 500 Whp, so it is far from the lowest kit.
More than one VT535 has put down that power, they should raise the power level on that kit. Regardless it's not that impressive when a companies highest rated kit and most talked about car beats a the lowest rated kit of it's compete ors on the street, starting in the wrong gear, lol, but it is impressive when the lower rated kit outperforms it in the 1/4 mile trap speed wise. I'd say the objective folks here understand that.
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Give it a rest Drew. Ask Akash if he was pushing it that day or not I was not there.
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