Another Porsche vs. BMW thread with a twist.

[Team Plutonium]

It's a fantastic car no question. At this point if I'd switch I'd take a hit power-wise, but that's not really an issue, since these cars are much more than having power. The current 991 is the pinnacle of engineering, and it just looks so god damn f@ckign fantastic!

[alms211]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

The turbo never really did anything for me... never really liked the look of it, expect for the 993.

In any case I would need to sell the M3, and that would be pretty tough for me. There is no way I could convince the wife to add another expensive car to the garage.

You don't like the look of the 997 Turbo but like the look of the 991?

If a 911 doesn't have a rear wing, it looks like to me. That droopy ass looks like an upside down bathtub

[konaforever]

Originally Posted by alms211

You don't like the look of the 997 Turbo but like the look of the 991?

If a 911 doesn't have a rear wing, it looks like to me. That droopy ass looks like an upside down bathtub

I agree. If I got a 911, I would need to get a wing on it!

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by alms211

You don't like the look of the 997 Turbo but like the look of the 991?

If a 911 doesn't have a rear wing, it looks like to me. That droopy ass looks like an upside down bathtub

Yes, I prefer look of the 991 over the 997 turbo... if that's ok with you.

Here are other things I like you might disagree with:

The color blue
Vanilla ice cream
Dogs
Naps
...

It's quite an extensive list , but I think you might get the idea here.

[Bocassden]

Originally Posted by alms211

You do realize that one is (well, at least it used to be) a sportscar and one is a GT car do you not? Thus direct comparisons of weight & size are out the window. Having said that, I've owned a 997S and will tell you right now that it was IN NO WAY better than an E92M3. Steering, balance, brakes, performance, power delivery, feel, etc... nothing the 997S does better than the M3. Oooops, sorry....the 997S gets better gas mileage. I'll trade the sound of the high revving V8 for the inferior gas mileage.

Carrera and Carerra (S) 911's are nothing special. Been there, done that. GT versioned 911's......whole different ballgame.

Oh yeah, I live in a trailer and am on food stamps and can't drive for sh!t. Oh well, at least Obama loves me.

You are hilarious. Apparently your former ownership of a 997 makes your opinion fact. It does nothing better than an M3? I know you must simply be exaggerating to stand by your argument. Either that or you clearly know very little about cars.
For the record, I currently have both an E92 M3 and a 997.2 in my garage. I love them both, but come on fella, you can't really be believing what you're saying? Are you really sticking to your dogmatic beliefs even in the face of facts? Wait. You probably are. All the Obama crap you spew says you are pretty willing to overlook facts to stick to the party line. You head on over and cast your vote for the man with the magic underwear. You can bash Porsche all you want when Jesus comes to Missouri.

[alms211]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Yes, I prefer look of the 991 over the 997 turbo... if that's ok with you.

Here are other things I like you might disagree with:

The color blue
Vanilla ice cream
Dogs
Naps
...

It's quite an extensive list , but I think you might get the idea here.

I simply state a comment questioning that you prefer the look of one over the other. Instead of commenting as to why you like one over the other --- you just come back with your typical smart ass comments. How original

You are more than welcome to your opinion. It's a free country (so far).

On top of that, perhaps reading comprehension escapes you. Psssst, I said "to me". That means my opinion. Much akin to your affinity for vanilla ice cream.

[alms211]

Originally Posted by Bocassden

You are hilarious. Apparently your former ownership of a 997 makes your opinion fact. It does nothing better than an M3? I know you must simply be exaggerating to stand by your argument. Either that or you clearly know very little about cars.
For the record, I currently have both an E92 M3 and a 997.2 in my garage. I love them both, but come on fella, you can't really be believing what you're saying? Are you really sticking to your dogmatic beliefs even in the face of facts? Wait. You probably are. All the Obama crap you spew says you are pretty willing to overlook facts to stick to the party line. You head on over and cast your vote for the man with the magic underwear. You can bash Porsche all you want when Jesus comes to Missouri.

Did you follow the entire conversation? If not, go back and re-read my comments on steering feel and brakes. Also, where did I say my opinon was gospel. I've owned both cars (and many other performance cars) and know quite a bit about them and their abilities from track to everyday driving. I see you offer no opinon on what you feel is dramatically better on the 997. Your only defense is to say I'm wrong and then bring politics into the discussion. I'm not surprised though and expect exactly this from an Obama slurper. If you want to carry on the political discussion come on over to the politics section sport.

Jesus comes to Missouri? WTF

[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Yes, I prefer look of the 991 over the 997 turbo... if that's ok with you.

Here are other things I like you might disagree with:

The color blue
Vanilla ice cream
Dogs
Naps
...

It's quite an extensive list , but I think you might get the idea here.

I think the turbo always has looked great, but so has a non fixed wing 911. The 991 without the fixed wing is much more sleek while a turbo is much more dramatic. The 991 is easily along with a few other cars (i.e. AM Vantage etc) one of the best looking cars on the road in terms of its pressence and agressiveness. A turbo will undoubtedly be more aggressive...

Originally Posted by Bocassden

You are hilarious. Apparently your former ownership of a 997 makes your opinion fact. It does nothing better than an M3? I know you must simply be exaggerating to stand by your argument. Either that or you clearly know very little about cars.
For the record, I currently have both an E92 M3 and a 997.2 in my garage. I love them both, but come on fella, you can't really be believing what you're saying? Are you really sticking to your dogmatic beliefs even in the face of facts? Wait. You probably are. All the Obama crap you spew says you are pretty willing to overlook facts to stick to the party line. You head on over and cast your vote for the man with the magic underwear. You can bash Porsche all you want when Jesus comes to Missouri.

Agreed. There isnt anything stock for stock the M3 does better than a 997S other than provide better practicality and a higher redline.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by alms211

I simply state a comment questioning that you prefer the look of one over the other. Instead of commenting as to why you like one over the other --- you just come back with your typical smart ass comments. How original

You are more than welcome to your opinion. It's a free country (so far).

On top of that, perhaps reading comprehension escapes you. Psssst, I said "to me". That means my opinion. Much akin to your affinity for vanilla ice cream.

Lets not go into the weekend like that. Remember, friendship is magic.

I *do* agree with you regarding folks bringing up politics in this thread... lame.

[Bocassden]

Originally Posted by alms211

Did you follow the entire conversation? If not, go back and re-read my comments on steering feel and brakes. Also, where did I say my opinon was gospel. I've owned both cars (and many other performance cars) and know quite a bit about them and their abilities from track to everyday driving. I see you offer no opinon on what you feel is dramatically better on the 997. Your only defense is to say I'm wrong and then bring politics into the discussion. I'm not surprised though and expect exactly this from an Obama slurper. If you want to carry on the political discussion come on over to the politics section sport.

Nah sport. I'm not wasting my time. You repeatedly state your opinion as fact and YOU repeatedly bring politics into it. Frankly it was a momentary lapse in judgement to give you any merit by even responding to you.
I must say though, that invitation (challenge even???) to meet you on the politics forum is tempting. Your clearly advanced intellect is intimidating though. How can I possibly trade jabs with someone who uses the word slurper?? No defense for zingers like that! You are insinuating that because one disagrees with your political opinions that person must be metaphorically giving Obama oral sex. Brilliant and unassailable. I bow to your superior mind!
'Merikka. F*%# yeah!

[alms211]

Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

I think the turbo always has looked great, but so has a non fixed wing 911. The 991 without the fixed wing is much more sleek while a turbo is much more dramatic. The 991 is easily along with a few other cars (i.e. AM Vantage etc) one of the best looking cars on the road in terms of its pressence and agressiveness. A turbo will undoubtedly be more aggressive...



Agreed. There isnt anything stock for stock the M3 does better than a 997S other than provide better practicality and a higher redline.

Nobody said the M3 did anything better than 997S. The point was, IN MY OPINON BASED UPON MY OWNERSHIP OF BOTH CARS, that the 997S doesn't do anything better (other than what we covered earlier in the thread) than the M3.

[KKM3]

Here's a pic of my gt3

[clar]

Originally Posted by alms211

You don't like the look of the 997 Turbo but like the look of the 991?

If a 911 doesn't have a rear wing, it looks like to me. That droopy ass looks like an upside down bathtub

Looks-wise, I like the Turbo and GT2 most! I find the wing on the GT3/RS to be way too large and kinda ricey.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

991 is VERY planted.

I dont see how you call it an incremental increase in performance though.

Ring - M3 8:05, 991S 7:40. The next M3 wont even come close to 7:40.

Trap speed - 991S is 118-119 mph vs 111-112 mph in the M3. 6-8 mph in trap speed is a completely different ballgame. Not even a FBO M3 with DCT will trap that and I doubt the next M3 when it comes in 2 years will be even trapping those speeds...maybe within 2-3 mph though.

ETs - same story...huge difference there.

And generally looking at lap times, the 991S put up times most 500-600 hp cars put down. M3 doesnt come close on any lap time whatsoever on any track.

And from any speed, any gear, any MPH, the 991S will pull away like a freight train.

The performance increase is significant. If you truly think that is only incremental then you'd have to agree that the performance increase from e46 m3 to e92 m3 was only incremental at best since the jump from our M3s to a 991S is bigger than e46 m3 to e92 m3...and we all know that is certainly not the case. And its not the case with the 991S either by any stretch.

Or we could say it this way. A 997 GT3 we can all agree is a BIG step up over our M3s, the 991S performs at nearly the same level on all aspects (yet is less in price than a new GT3 was)...you were even the one to say the 991S on fifth gear paced with the 997.2 GT3 tires considered.

I feel thats just an incremental improvement, especially when you are spending more than $30k. I'm not going to get into magazine racing with you...a few M3s have run almost 115mph stock.

If you can sling a 991S around Nurburgring at a 7:40 my hats off to you...don't think you can and therefore as I said..a moot point. I'm not debating the capabilities of the 991S, maybe you didn't read my post.. I would rather have one...just not at the price point it is being offered. Unless my financial means take a real good change for the positive. Would love to have one. I just don't see it in the cards right away.

As far as the GT3 being a big step up...well of course now we are talking a car that is close to $40-50k more than a new E92 M3 with PCCbs and the like.

My favorite car is a GT3, just wish it had back seats .

So let me clarify...I LOVE THE 991S, just don't feel its worth the money.

Dave

[jordanE92]

Originally Posted by alms211

Nobody said the M3 did anything better than 997S. The point was, IN MY OPINON BASED UPON MY OWNERSHIP OF BOTH CARS, that the 997S doesn't do anything better (other than what we covered earlier in the thread) than the M3.

I also believe Porsche has their cars more track/performance orientated to begin with. With some nice coilovers, corner balance, mild suspension parts and these cars are beasts. Maybe some people just don't like that the our M3s can hang with the big boys for half the price.

I love the gt variants and would buy one in a second if I could, but would still be difficult to ditch my M. I also like how the engine is in the front which keeps it less darty than a Porsche. The M is always comfortable to drive fast. A big advantage in my opinion and exactly what I want.

[clar]

Quoting Ring time is pretty pointless in my opinion. Nobody knows how the cars were prep for the run and there are too many variables especially when it's such a long track. I only take timings clocked by skilled drivers on the same track on the same day in a shoot out seriously. The cars in question should also be in showroom spec and not some track tires. I find it ridiculous for anyone to keep blowing the trumpet on cars that are so much more expensive. Of course they should be faster for that money!

[PhillyNate]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

I'm not gonna even test drive one....

^This is the best course of action. Me either...

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by PhillyNate

^This is the best course of action. Me either...

I might cave, and drive one today, as well as the M5... either way, I think I'm f@cked.

[PhillyNate]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

I might cave, and drive one today, as well as the M5... either way, I think I'm f@cked.

If I go test drive that car after just putting an exhaust on this one, I'll be the next dead husband profiled on Snapped.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by PhillyNate

If I go test drive that car after just putting an exhaust on this one, I'll be the next dead husband profiled on Snapped.

Yeah, same here... in order to hide all the true costs of modding from the wife I developed elaborate money laundry schemes that probably rival those of Colombian drug cartels.

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by KKM3

Here's a pic of my gt3

Very very nice

[MMMMM3]

Originally Posted by bholloway

Anyone who would rather have an M3 than a 911 is an uneducated fool and thats a fact. The 911 is one of the best if not the best sportscar ever build. The M3 is a heavy, modified 3 series designed for middle aged business men to haul their kids and fat wife around in. If you think the M3 is better than you're a poor ass peasant and probably a shitty driver. Man up and get a Porsche... You're welcome M3 forums.

I'm not a businessman, and my wife's not fat. I think you've got the BMW M3 confused with the Porsche Cayenne... The 911 isn't even the best sportscar Porsche ever built. Carrera GT, 917, 959... You're welcome bholloway.

Have I just been trolled?

Am I on candid camera?