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      10-31-2012, 08:35 AM   #155
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.a 7 year old M3 that gets 17mpg, no matter what color.. will have equal appeal in 2020..!

So, no matter how spectacular a frozen limited addition is..? Does any of it's glory help loose some of it's 3,700lbs..? Or is it just superficial nonsense..? Or is it just //Marketing..?

Secondly.. Dude, the world is changing, having a car collection means nothing when hurricans, earthquakes, or mother nature has.?
Dude, they've had hurricanes for billions of years on mother planet, and they have been with us humans since before we've been calling us humans. Their effects may be more unpredictable in the future, or their geographical distribution may change and some regions will be favored where others will be hard hit, but the world will still exist as we know it in 2020. This is a very simplistic world view you're painting there.

All I can tell you is, in 2020 in the USA, the gasoline engine will still be king. Of course the engines will become more efficient, and gas more expensive, and hybrids more prevalent.

Whatever, for a young enthusiast wanting to experience the thrills of a racetrack, buying a legendary used car will still be the most appealing alternative. For these guys, all that matters is the budget to purchase and get the car track ready.

Few of these old cars will continue as daily drivers. Most will be weekend toys, where no one cars about anything except the entertainment value. Why do you think the muscle cars from the 60s and 70s made such a huge comeback, despite huge inherent flaws: bad mileage, bad handling, bad build quality.
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      10-31-2012, 03:00 PM   #156
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Honestly,
Have you guys seen a frozen color that is dirty or not under direct lighting, such as at night time? They look horrible.

The only good frozen color in my opinion is black.

Plus, M at BMW was always focused on "stuff" under the hood. Give me a lightweight, more HP, a real GTS and I pay. But, a paint job and contrast stitching at overpriced value is nothing to write home about. They are just trying to "milk" it, drop by drop (wrong approach BMW bean counters!).
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      10-31-2012, 03:35 PM   #157
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Have you guys seen a frozen color that is dirty or not under direct lighting, such as at night time? They look horrible.
Really? I accept your opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. The way that shadows and lowlights play off mine is gorgeous. In fact, I prefer it to the color in direct sunlight.

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      10-31-2012, 04:04 PM   #158
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LAMO

Give us a break BMWNA....anyone who pays up for this pretty car is a fool...I'm insulted that they have even offered these cars for sale.

I'm mean "com on man" put a BBK or something on these things to make them special...or maybe euro MDM or some other performance bone!

REALLY DISAPPOINTING!
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      10-31-2012, 04:32 PM   #159
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Can't wait to see what the dealer markup will be on top the $16k premium, although I like the white and blue the "Frozen" editions are not even close to being worth the money.

Waiting for the M4.
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      10-31-2012, 05:06 PM   #160
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in one word, rarity. What makes a "limited edition" well, limited?? BMW didn't claim any performance improvement so it's not really like they are cheating the customer.

The LTW had precisely zero pedigree, wasn't really even faster than the regular car. And the S54 Z3M and 1M have the same null pedigree, yet fetch nice premiums. My Limited Edition Miata fetches 50-100% more than a regular car of similar vintage, all because of a unique color combination and trim bits.

There really is just one connecting thread between all these cars...


You can chose to ignore it or not. But IMO its there.
you're ignoring the other half of my equation on the LTW and the 1M - performance. yes, not a huge racing pedigree, but better performance in limited quantities increases the desirability of these cars (i'm pretty sure the LTW is faster around a track than a normal E36 M3).

your one word "rarity" isn't enough to make a collectible, sorry. if that was all that mattered, Pontiac Azteks would be collector's items. there's got to be something else that sparks the lust of a collector, enough to make him pay through the nose for a car and spark bidding wars.

i understand your argument - you're saying that the frozen color is the other piece of the puzzle and that will make the car more desirable later on. i disagree - i believe this frozen/matte stuff is a fad and the car community will eventually move on. time will tell who's right.
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      11-01-2012, 03:52 AM   #161
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The Mayans predicted one day all ///M cars will only be available in a frozen color and Abraham Lincoln predicted special editions would be shiny, and only available on the Internet.
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      11-01-2012, 11:23 AM   #162
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The only good frozen color in my opinion is black.
I agree; it actually looks really good at night!
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      11-01-2012, 01:02 PM   #163
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Really? I accept your opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. The way that shadows and lowlights play off mine is gorgeous. In fact, I prefer it to the color in direct sunlight.
PrimoM3,
Please don't take offense. Colors are like wine, they are all good in the eye of the beholder. And that is all that really matters in the end.

You live in CA, I am in NYC where dirt and overcast skies are predominant. I have seen my share of dirty mate colors. Plus I got to see the new "shiny mate" on cars that made it through regular car washes and poor paint maintenance. LOL.

Good luck with your whip.
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      11-01-2012, 03:15 PM   #164
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No offense taken - it's all subjective. I just think you need to see Frozen Brilliant White in person before you make that statment about all frozen matte colors. This one has a lot of depth and sparkle for a satin finish.
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      11-01-2012, 04:36 PM   #165
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Primo, wait until you have to keep your frozen brilliant white clean
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      02-02-2013, 05:39 AM   #166
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Hey guys ,i just bought a 2013 M3 frozen black edition and going to pick it up next week from boston and drive back to virginia ...if anybody who had frozen edition cars before if you could please contact me since it s going to be my first frozen color car i need some advise and any help will be very appreciated (: thanks !!!

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      02-02-2013, 07:14 AM   #167
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Hey guys ,i just bought a 2013 M3 frozen black edition and going to pick it up next week from boston and drive back to virginia ...if anybody who had frozen edition cars before if you could please contact me since it s going to be my first frozen color car i need some advise and any help will be very appreciated (: thanks !!!
There are a few people on this thread indicating they have frozen edition cars, recommend you message them directly. Seems like you're new, so you'll need to post three times before your messaging capabilities are unlocked by the admin.

Congrats! Frozen Black is a nice color!
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      02-02-2013, 12:11 PM   #168
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I feel the frozen colors are the sexiest finishes available. It is so awesome that BMW NA allows you to special order them!
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      02-02-2013, 10:37 PM   #169
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I dont believe...another edition...
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      02-04-2013, 10:01 PM   #170
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There are a few people on this thread indicating they have frozen edition cars, recommend you message them directly. Seems like you're new, so you'll need to post three times before your messaging capabilities are unlocked by the admin.

Congrats! Frozen Black is a nice color!

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      02-16-2013, 10:02 AM   #171
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For those wondering what Frozen Red looks like...here ya go...the base color is not Melbourne Red like some of you may have thought...but base is actually Sakhir Orange!!!








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      02-17-2013, 10:52 AM   #172
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Genro757 - I noticed the car had Akrapovic CF exhaust tips. I have never seen that mod installed by a dealer before in the States.
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      02-17-2013, 11:11 AM   #173
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Genro757 - I noticed the car had Akrapovic CF exhaust tips. I have never seen that mod installed by a dealer before in the States.
Just noticed that too - good find.
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      02-17-2013, 01:45 PM   #174
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Genro757 - I noticed the car had Akrapovic CF exhaust tips. I have never seen that mod installed by a dealer before in the States.
more dealers are becoming mod friendly. i remember back in the day a dealer in arizona would slap on vorsteiner parts alot. now mckenna is the ultimate dealer for aftermarket parts
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      02-17-2013, 07:20 PM   #175
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Genro757 - I noticed the car had Akrapovic CF exhaust tips. I have never seen that mod installed by a dealer before in the States.
That's cuz this dealer isn't in the US
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I figured as much. Still, I would think that a BMW dealer - even a European one, would upgrade the stock exhaust to the BMW performance exhaust rather than a 3rd party aftermarket supplier.
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