PSS10 vs. TCKR S/A

BIU · 10-25-2012, 07:46 PM

Its time for suspension upgrades and I would love to hear some feedbacks from the wealth of experience on this forum

2008 E90: DD / "Sporty" driving / NO track time

Looking for: Lower stance / Improved handling / Streetable comfort

I have decided that I wont be needing double adjustability for my needs and have narrowed down to two choices...

PSS10 vs. TCKR S/A (Both paired with Vorshlag camber plates)

Both are single adjustable setups with the ease of adjustability under the front hood and rear trunk...

Which do you think is the better choice and why?

Thanks in advance!

PS. The Ohlins R&T setup will be released soon.. Although I am pretty sure it will be more expensive than the Bilsteins and the TCKRs...

m3an · 10-25-2012, 08:47 PM

look into H&R as well; not too expensive and looks to be what you're looking for re: your description

BIU · 10-25-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

look into H&R as well; not too expensive and looks to be what you're looking for re: your description

I assume this is the H&R PCS coilovers?

Is this what you are using?

Not much info. to be had on this forum regarding this setup... A quick look on H&R's website and it seems the adjustable knobs are on the bottom of the shocks??

aus · 10-25-2012, 10:44 PM

KW V3 are double adjustable but have progressive springs that should be good for street use. Why do you need camber plates?

BIU · 10-25-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aus

KW V3 are double adjustable but have progressive springs that should be good for street use. Why do you need camber plates?

I am planning to go with fairly aggressive offsets (NOT hellaflush !

) for wheel choice.... The camber plates will provide some neg. camber flexibility that should come in handy while also allowing the suspension to be better dialed in

Price and performance wise I believe the V3s are a notch above my needs?

bigjae1976 · 10-26-2012, 10:45 PM

I'd just go with the PSS that have no rebound adjustment. You will never use it and there's no need to adjust rebound on the street.

BIU · 10-28-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I'd just go with the PSS that have no rebound adjustment. You will never use it and there's no need to adjust rebound on the street.

There are two versions?

I am only aware of the S/A PSS10s?

bigjae1976 · 10-28-2012, 07:59 PM

I could be wrong...I thought bilstein offered a PSS that is just height adjustable. I'd get that for just street driving.

M3SQRD · 10-29-2012, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I could be wrong...I thought bilstein offered a PSS that is just height adjustable. I'd get that for just street driving.

Yes, Bilstein makes a non-damping adjustable PSS setup but not for the e9x M3. For the e9x M3, only the PSS10 SA setup is offered.

As an FYI, Bilstein is starting to release a Clubsport DA setup:
http://www.bilsteinus.com/products/b...clubsport.html

I don't think they've released an e9x M3 Clubsport DA setup yet...

BIU · 10-31-2012, 03:13 AM

Zoning in on TCKR S/A with Vorshlag camber plates..

Couple last thoughts:

1) Spring rates: F350 / R600 - Ideal for DD with some occasional "fun"?

2) Vorshlag camber plates: Noise / Vibration / Harshness over stock?

Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Donbona · 10-31-2012, 03:52 AM

I had PSS10s on my car.... found them to be to bouncy bouncy no matter what the settings.
I recently put Intrax coilovers.... one word... AMAZING!!
No bouncy bouncy whatever the height... smooth as silk with excellent cornering.

bigjae1976 · 10-31-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BIU

Zoning in on TCKR S/A with Vorshlag camber plates..

Couple last thoughts:

1) Spring rates: F350 / R600 - Ideal for DD with some occasional "fun"?

2) Vorshlag camber plates: Noise / Vibration / Harshness over stock?

Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

1) I'd call TC Kline on the spring rates...they are VERY helpful.

2) I person who is very sensitive to noises and vibrations has the vorshlag plates and hasn't complained. The vorshlag plates across the different chassis seem to be very durable. IMO, its the way to go.

M3SQRD · 10-31-2012, 10:55 AM

I agree with the above suggestion for selecting spring rates - contact TCK directly. BimmerWorld, HP Autowerks and VAC are other great options because they all carry the full TCK suspension lineup.

However, having used the TCK SA setup on my e92 M3, IMO, 350/600 will be very "comfy" on the street - I was running 400/600 and that was still a very "comfy" street setup.

Can't help you with the Vorshlag camber plates. I've only used GC and KW plates on all of my suspension setups.

tropicatango · 10-31-2012, 01:20 PM

tc kline all the way

BIU · 10-31-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

1) I'd call TC Kline on the spring rates...they are VERY helpful.

2) I person who is very sensitive to noises and vibrations has the vorshlag plates and hasn't complained. The vorshlag plates across the different chassis seem to be very durable. IMO, its the way to go.

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Originally Posted by M3SQRD

I agree with the above suggestion for selecting spring rates - contact TCK directly. BimmerWorld, HP Autowerks and VAC are other great options because they all carry the full TCK suspension lineup.

However, having used the TCK SA setup on my e92 M3, IMO, 350/600 will be very "comfy" on the street - I was running 400/600 and that was still a very "comfy" street setup.

Can't help you with the Vorshlag camber plates. I've only used GC and KW plates on all of my suspension setups.

I have contacted TCKR and have been suggested a front spring rate of 350-400 and a rear spring rate of 600

Right on the money with M3SQRD's suggestions!

bigjae1976 I will take your word on the Vorshlags, espeacially since you've mentioned that you are very sensitive to noises

BIU · 10-31-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Donbona

I had PSS10s on my car.... found them to be to bouncy bouncy no matter what the settings.
I recently put Intrax coilovers.... one word... AMAZING!!
No bouncy bouncy whatever the height... smooth as silk with excellent cornering.

Not too familiar with Intrax suspension... took a look at their website... DANGGGG they look top notch.. Im betting they cost you a pretty penny?

TC Kline Racing · 11-01-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tropicatango

tc kline all the way

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIU

I have contacted TCKR and have been suggested a front spring rate of 350-400 and a rear spring rate of 600

Right on the money with M3SQRD's suggestions!

bigjae1976 I will take your word on the Vorshlags, espeacially since you've mentioned that you are very sensitive to noises

Let me know if you have anymore questions

Donbona · 11-01-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BIU

Not too familiar with Intrax suspension... took a look at their website... DANGGGG they look top notch.. Im betting they cost you a pretty penny?

Yeah they are, got a decent price.... 2200 British pounds.

BIU · 11-01-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TC Kline Racing

Let me know if you have anymore questions

Thanks Kale

Looking forward to the total shipped costs from you

M3SQRD · 11-02-2012, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIU

Thanks Kale

Looking forward to the total shipped costs from you

Congrats! What rates did you end up going with 350/600 or 400/600?

BIU · 11-02-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by M3SQRD

Congrats! What rates did you end up going with 350/600 or 400/600?

Nothing is set in concrete yet.

Still haven't received a response from Kale.

TC Kline Racing · 11-05-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BIU

Nothing is set in concrete yet.

Still haven't received a response from Kale.

I responded on Friday and today, please check your email

Thanks!

10-25-2012, 07:46 PM	#1
BIU First Lieutenant Drives: 2008 A22 E90 M3 DCT Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 315 iTrader: (0)	PSS10 vs. TCKR S/A Its time for suspension upgrades and I would love to hear some feedbacks from the wealth of experience on this forum 2008 E90: DD / "Sporty" driving / NO track time Looking for: Lower stance / Improved handling / Streetable comfort I have decided that I wont be needing double adjustability for my needs and have narrowed down to two choices... PSS10 vs. TCKR S/A (Both paired with Vorshlag camber plates) Both are single adjustable setups with the ease of adjustability under the front hood and rear trunk... Which do you think is the better choice and why? Thanks in advance! PS. The Ohlins R&T setup will be released soon.. Although I am pretty sure it will be more expensive than the Bilsteins and the TCKRs... Last edited by BIU; 10-25-2012 at 07:53 PM.
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10-25-2012, 10:44 PM	#4
aus Major General Drives: M3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA Posts: 6,164 iTrader: (5)	KW V3 are double adjustable but have progressive springs that should be good for street use. Why do you need camber plates? __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."

10-26-2012, 10:45 PM	#6
bigjae1976 Brigadier General Drives: 04 330Ci, 11 E90 M3 Individual Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 4,047 iTrader: (8)	I'd just go with the PSS that have no rebound adjustment. You will never use it and there's no need to adjust rebound on the street. __________________

10-28-2012, 07:59 PM	#8
bigjae1976 Brigadier General Drives: 04 330Ci, 11 E90 M3 Individual Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 4,047 iTrader: (8)	I could be wrong...I thought bilstein offered a PSS that is just height adjustable. I'd get that for just street driving. __________________

10-31-2012, 03:52 AM	#11
Donbona Lieutenant Colonel Drives: E93 M3 DCT 2008 Join Date: May 2009 Location: London UK Posts: 1,661 iTrader: (0)	I had PSS10s on my car.... found them to be to bouncy bouncy no matter what the settings. I recently put Intrax coilovers.... one word... AMAZING!! No bouncy bouncy whatever the height... smooth as silk with excellent cornering. __________________ M3 E93 DCT, Space Grey,BC HB29 Forged Deep Concave Wheels, Ericsson Amuse F/R Bumper, Evolve Full Exhaust System, INTRAX Coilovers, STOPTECH BBK, Performance Steering Wheel,Custom Red/Black Leather Seats,Evolve Supercharger ///M3 \|\|Bimmerpost M3 Car Of The Month May - 2010

10-25-2012, 08:47 PM	#2
m3an Banned Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,612 iTrader: (2)	look into H&R as well; not too expensive and looks to be what you're looking for re: your description

10-31-2012, 03:13 AM	#10
BIU First Lieutenant Drives: 2008 A22 E90 M3 DCT Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 315 iTrader: (0)	Zoning in on TCKR S/A with Vorshlag camber plates.. Couple last thoughts: 1) Spring rates: F350 / R600 - Ideal for DD with some occasional "fun"? 2) Vorshlag camber plates: Noise / Vibration / Harshness over stock? Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

10-31-2012, 10:55 AM	#13
M3SQRD Colonel Drives: E92 M3s, R56 Cooper S Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: EC Posts: 2,347 iTrader: (2)	I agree with the above suggestion for selecting spring rates - contact TCK directly. BimmerWorld, HP Autowerks and VAC are other great options because they all carry the full TCK suspension lineup. However, having used the TCK SA setup on my e92 M3, IMO, 350/600 will be very "comfy" on the street - I was running 400/600 and that was still a very "comfy" street setup. Can't help you with the Vorshlag camber plates. I've only used GC and KW plates on all of my suspension setups.

10-31-2012, 01:20 PM	#14
tropicatango New Member Drives: bmw e46 m3 zcp Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Montreal Posts: 20 iTrader: (0)	tc kline all the way

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