Wanna see my tank slapper???

bigjae1976 · 10-21-2012, 08:34 PM

And who was expecting disaster? Just let the car go where it wants to go!

GOLFFRR · 10-21-2012, 09:07 PM

nice save! just kept going like nothing.

klammer · 10-21-2012, 09:12 PM

Well done

Estoril Blue · 10-21-2012, 09:15 PM

Do you know what cause that loss of control?

ixm3 · 10-21-2012, 09:21 PM

Nice catch.

Looks like you had a bunch of smaller ones leading up to this big one?.

bigjae1976 · 10-21-2012, 09:22 PM

I usually trail brake pretty heavy and deep into that left hander...I catch a lot of people there. I gave it a little too much brake and the rear came around a little too much. Then I needed to go right so I gave it throttle...probably a little too much...which caused the rear to oscillate back.

Basically I gave it more throttle when the car was already osciallting.

FormulaMMM · 10-21-2012, 10:02 PM

Recovery like butta. Nicely done.

bigjae1976 · 10-21-2012, 10:06 PM

Thanks to all! And shame on you all...coming onto this thread just to see spinning and destruction.

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Originally Posted by ixm3

Nice catch.

Looks like you had a bunch of smaller ones leading up to this big one?.

Nah, it was pretty smooth sailing. There really isn't a reason to get the car squirrely on the stretch leading up to the save.

Purple Derple · 10-21-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I usually trail brake pretty heavy and deep into that left hander...I catch a lot of people there. I gave it a little too much brake and the rear came around a little too much. Then I needed to go right so I gave it throttle...probably a little too much...which caused the rear to oscillate back.

Basically I gave it more throttle when the car was already osciallting.

Trail brake rotation happens on brake RELEASE. I just think you pinched it. Your hands dial in more steering and that got you sliding IMO.

Teeopi · 10-21-2012, 10:24 PM

nice save!

paradocs98 · 10-21-2012, 11:22 PM

Magic hands, there, David Copperfield.

It does look like you meant to do it all along. I guess the key is anticipating the counter-rotation, which you did instantaneously.

OC3 · 10-21-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by klammer

Well done

+1

Be Stock · 10-22-2012, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Derple

Trail brake rotation happens on brake RELEASE. I just think you pinched it. Your hands dial in more steering and that got you sliding IMO.

Please explain why rotation due to trail braking occurs when one releases the brakes.

bigjae1976 · 10-22-2012, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by paradocs98

Magic hands, there, David Copperfield.

It does look like you meant to do it all along. I guess the key is anticipating the counter-rotation, which you did instantaneously.

Thanks! Nope...didn't want to or mean to do that. I'll mess around with a much tamer power slide at times

I did one drift practice and that really taught me how to steer the car with throttle and brake. If you look at the front wheels in the video, they were always pointed where I needed to go although the rear wheels were not. I let the wheel slide through my hands as soon as I feel the car start to REALLY rotate. If you hold on to the wheel, you're changing the orientation of your front wheels from the right path to some other path. Then basically the front end starts chasing the rear end which is not desirable in most cases...probably all cases. The trick is knowing when you catch the steering wheel so the front wheels maintain the desired direction of travel. Its more of a feel thing. My drift instructor told me that...

At the drift practice, an ex-Formula Drift guy drifted my M3 and the wheel was just spinning from lock to lock. Basically he drove the entire drift circuit barely touching the steering wheel. All pedal work. He explained that the only time he touches the wheel is to change the direction of travel.

I'm sure car control clinic help but if you really want to learn what it takes to upset your car and how stay in control even when it starts getting way out of hand..might want to look at drifting. The skills I've learned there have saved my ass a couple of times.

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Originally Posted by Purple Derple

Trail brake rotation happens on brake RELEASE. I just think you pinched it. Your hands dial in more steering and that got you sliding IMO.

When I was entering the left hander (T13), my car was already sliding at the apex which is why the wheel slid through my hands. Then I still turned into T14 which is what caused the backend to come back around.

I would like to hear more about my rotation happens on release. Now that I see the video, it makes more sense.

Car54 · 10-23-2012, 12:01 PM

Looked like a lil Scandanavian Flick.

Your first correction was too big and created the second slide. Good move not to overcorrect the second slide as there would be no more track to use.

Park2670 · 10-23-2012, 12:14 PM

Great video, way to keep it pointed in the right direction!

bigjae1976 · 10-23-2012, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Car54

Looked like a lil Scandanavian Flick.

Your first correction was too big and created the second slide. Good move not to overcorrect the second slide as there would be no more track to use.

Whatever it was...don't wanna do it again.

My wife said, "you were one pair of underwear short in this weeks' laundry???"

M3 Esq. · 10-23-2012, 03:23 PM

Nice recovery, thanks for sharing!

Car54 · 10-23-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Whatever it was...don't wanna do it again.

My wife said, "you were one pair of underwear short in this weeks' laundry???"

bigjae1976 · 10-23-2012, 10:02 PM

Yeah, it went something like that.

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bigjae1976 Brigadier General Drives: 04 330Ci, 11 E90 M3 Individual Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 4,047 iTrader: (8)	I usually trail brake pretty heavy and deep into that left hander...I catch a lot of people there. I gave it a little too much brake and the rear came around a little too much. Then I needed to go right so I gave it throttle...probably a little too much...which caused the rear to oscillate back. Basically I gave it more throttle when the car was already osciallting. __________________

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ixm3 Second Lieutenant Drives: M3x2 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: DE Posts: 260 iTrader: (8)	Nice catch. Looks like you had a bunch of smaller ones leading up to this big one?.

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