IPE F1 exhaust vs Meisterschaft GT2 Ti exhaust

jetpilot747 · 10-11-2012, 12:38 AM

Do you guys think its worth spending an extra $3-4K on the IPE F1 exhaust? What's the weight and power advantage over the GT2 if any? Or is it just more expensive because its a valvetronic exhaust?

e92involved · 10-11-2012, 01:24 AM

I think it is worth it, sounds awesome. I just dropped my Akra and bought the Kreiseigg valuetronic - 7500k for the muffler lol.

erm324 · 10-11-2012, 07:59 AM

I think the meisterschaft sounds much more exotic/f1 pitched than the ipe which is just raspy and plain loud (more or less like a straight pipe)

img · 10-11-2012, 08:19 AM

GT2 all the way . a friend of mine got the IPe F1 and his xpipe cracked very bad after a couple of months.
Meisterschaft weld & build quality is much better !

Dellort_M3 · 10-19-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by e92involved

I think it is worth it, sounds awesome. I just dropped my Akra and bought the Kreiseigg valuetronic - 7500k for the muffler lol.

Seven thousand five hundred thousand is a lot for the muffler!
Even if it was 7500, why so much? Even with the titanium tips, it shouldn't be that much.

Wolfinwolfsclothing · 10-19-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by img

GT2 all the way . a friend of mine got the IPe F1 and his xpipe cracked very bad after a couple of months.
Meisterschaft weld & build quality is much better !

+1...IPE quality is absolute garbage...especially when you consider the price. Plus, its way too raspy sounding.

Team Plutonium · 10-19-2012, 11:51 AM

I'd take an IPE F1 over a Meisterschaft (Eisenmann ripoff) any day.

Wolfinwolfsclothing · 10-19-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

I'd take an IPE F1 over a Meisterschaft (Eisenmann ripoff) any day.

Curious why you think its a rip off of Eisenmann? Issue from a couple years aside...Meister is a completely different design, has a completely different sound, is probably close to my past eisenmann race in terms of quality and is at a lower price point.
My Eisenmann race was nice but droned like crazy and was extremely heavy. I loved the sound but it was far from perfect and very different in every way from my friends Meisterschaft.

Team Plutonium · 10-19-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

Curious why you think its a rip off of Eisenmann? Issue from a couple years aside...Meister is a completely different design, has a completely different sound, is probably close to my past eisenmann race in terms of quality and is at a lower price point.
My Eisenmann race was nice but droned like crazy and was extremely heavy. I loved the sound but it was far from perfect and very different in every way from my friends Meisterschaft.

The entire company is based on ripping off the Eisenmann exhausts (direct copies) - it's widely known, and although the legal issues have been resolved I'd never support such a shitty company.

Wolfinwolfsclothing · 10-19-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

The entire company is based on ripping off the Eisenmann exhausts (direct copies) - it's widely known, and although the legal issues have been resolved I'd never support such a shitty company.

I agree it was very shady business to do what they did, but I still dont see them as direct copies. The designs are entirely different as is almost every aspect of the exhausts if you were to compare side by side.

Mike@R · 10-19-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

+1...IPE quality is absolute garbage...especially when you consider the price. Plus, its way too raspy sounding.

LOL
Couldn't be further from the truth. The quality is quite good. With the exception of very few such as Eisenmann and Akrapovic, it's better than most out there.
Someone stated they had a friend with a cracked x pipe from IPE, but I've not yet seen a failure personally.

Wolfinwolfsclothing · 10-19-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@RimierMotorSport

LOL
Couldn't be further from the truth. The quality is quite good. With the exception of very few such as Eisenmann and Akrapovic, it's better than most out there.
Someone stated they had a friend with a cracked x pipe from IPE, but I've not yet seen a failure personally.

I saw the x pipe he was referring to. It literally cracked and had a hole in it.

kchu221 · 10-19-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

I agree it was very shady business to do what they did, but I still dont see them as direct copies. The designs are entirely different as is almost every aspect of the exhausts if you were to compare side by side.

its not just the eisenmann's they copied, they were the US distributor for kreissieg japan, but kreissieg cut the lines with them after finding out that meister was coping the kreissieg lambo exhaust design.....

Wolfinwolfsclothing · 10-19-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kchu221

its not just the eisenmann's they copied, they were the US distributor for kreissieg japan, but kreissieg cut the lines with them after finding out that meister was coping the kreissieg lambo exhaust design.....

Did not know this. Good info.

Mike@R · 10-19-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

I saw the x pipe he was referring to. It literally cracked and had a hole in it.

Never ordered an F1 x pipe as they appear to impede flow, maybe there's a weak spot in those. That being said, a failure of one in MANY is not uncommon. This is the only failure I've heard of.
We have several customers out there with systems that see frequent track use and lots of heat cycling with no issues. My personal E92 has an IPE system with over 20K miles and a few track events with zero issues. Either way, the systems themselves are far from garbage or I wouldn't have one on my car.

Wolfinwolfsclothing · 10-19-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@RimierMotorSport

Never ordered an F1 x pipe as they appear to impede flow, maybe there's a weak spot in those. That being said, a failure of one in MANY is not uncommon. This is the only failure I've heard of.
We have several customers out there with systems that see frequent track use and lots of heat cycling with no issues. My personal E92 has an IPE system with over 20K miles and a few track events with zero issues. Either way, the systems themselves are far from garbage or I wouldn't have one on my car.

Maybe a bit hyperbolic to say 'garbage' but Ive had Akra Evo and for the price IPE is, its nowhere the quality of the Akra and shouldnt be anywhere close to that price especially since its not made of exotic material either.

e92involved · 10-19-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dellort_M3

Seven thousand five hundred thousand is a lot for the muffler!
Even if it was 7500, why so much? Even with the titanium tips, it shouldn't be that much.

Alot of muffler in deed! The tits are not titanium. It costs what it costs lol. I had Kreseigg make me a custom one-off pair of tips. Shipping from Japan is not cheap either. It is build-to-order so I will post some videos up in 6-8 weeks

Vagus · 10-19-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by e92involved

Alot of muffler in deed! The tits are not titanium. It costs what ........

e92involved · 10-19-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shibalnoma

BAHAHAHHAHAHA

Dellort_M3 · 10-19-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by e92involved

Alot of muffler in deed! The tits are not titanium. It costs what it costs lol. I had Kreseigg make me a custom one-off pair of tips. Shipping from Japan is not cheap either. It is build-to-order so I will post some videos up in 6-8 weeks

What kind of tips? Is it the same trumpet tips as MartinD? Those are the only other tips I have seen on a kreissieg. If they are the tips then I understand the price. I have a kreissieg sitting in my garage, but havent put it on yet due to the fact that I actually dont like the normal tip design.
What mid section are you pairing it with?

e92involved · 10-20-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellort_M3

What kind of tips? Is it the same trumpet tips as MartinD? Those are the only other tips I have seen on a kreissieg. If they are the tips then I understand the price. I have a kreissieg sitting in my garage, but havent put it on yet due to the fact that I actually dont like the normal tip design.
What mid section are you pairing it with?

It is the trumpets

I am going to run it with Akra GT4

happos2 · 10-24-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dellort_M3

Seven thousand five hundred thousand is a lot for the muffler!.....

Seven Million??

I don't have any room to talk. I am as stock as you get.

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e92involved Captain Drives: 2012 BMW e92 M3 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 627 iTrader: (0)	I think it is worth it, sounds awesome. I just dropped my Akra and bought the Kreiseigg valuetronic - 7500k for the muffler lol. __________________

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erm324 Major Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 1,048 iTrader: (1)	I think the meisterschaft sounds much more exotic/f1 pitched than the ipe which is just raspy and plain loud (more or less like a straight pipe)