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      10-18-2012, 02:27 PM   #45
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And doesn't perform as well unless it's the V10.
yeah now that its a v10 kinda spoils the older version, but it can be a great daily driver.
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      10-18-2012, 09:15 PM   #46
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do they make a ess vt3 for it?
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      10-19-2012, 08:53 AM   #47
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how is the maintenance? is it really as bad as people lead you to believe? $1800 tires, $2000 fluid changes, $3000 brake jobs?
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      10-19-2012, 09:59 AM   #49
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how is the maintenance? is it really as bad as people lead you to believe? $1800 tires, $2000 fluid changes, $3000 brake jobs?
Maintenance is nothing like that. A good set of tires will run about $1200, Transmission/Diff fluid change = $900, Good Brake pads are about $500 for all 4 corners, and Good non drilled rotors are $1400 (if you track the car). These are the most expensive perishables on the car. Everything else like engine oil change $120, Alignment, etc are all negligible. The GTR is probably the cheapest Supercar to maintain.

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Maintenance is nothing like that. A good set of tires will run about $1200, Transmission/Diff fluid change = $900, Good Brake pads are about $500 for all 4 corners, and Good non drilled rotors are $1400 (if you track the car). These are the most expensive perishables on the car. Everything else like engine oil change $120, Alignment, etc are all negligible. The GTR is probably the cheapest Supercar to maintain.

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I agree that people who replace the expensive runflats are just asking for it. And the car can be maintained cheaper, but the older maintenance intervals are just too much. I see the 2013 changes that now specing diff change to what like 36K??
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      10-19-2012, 11:43 AM   #51
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Maintenance is nothing like that. A good set of tires will run about $1200, Transmission/Diff fluid change = $900, Good Brake pads are about $500 for all 4 corners, and Good non drilled rotors are $1400 (if you track the car). These are the most expensive perishables on the car. Everything else like engine oil change $120, Alignment, etc are all negligible. The GTR is probably the cheapest Supercar to maintain.

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Correct

As for the brakes, I picked up a full set of used 2012 Front / Rear Rotors with Pads for $1250 shipped it was only used for approximately 500 miles.

If you DIY the oil change with filter is around $60.00 and if you DIY the Transmission and Diffs you will only pay $600+ for the fluids.

I also picked up a rear set of OEM 285/35/20 Bridgestone RE70 runflats tires for about $100 Each with 90% Thread.

It is indeed the cheapest Supercar to maintain.
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      10-19-2012, 12:10 PM   #52
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Just not a fan of this Nissan. Sorry brother. I would have went Audi R8 for this price and never looked back.
R8 drives like crap though... It will forever be labeled as the poor mans Gallardo.
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      10-19-2012, 12:16 PM   #53
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R8 drives like crap though... It will forever be labeled as the poor mans Gallardo.
Ouch!
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      10-19-2012, 12:40 PM   #54
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I think the GTR just doesn't photograph as well as an M3. I just sold M3 which people would gawk over all day long but parked next to a GTR. The GTR just looks so a lot more impressive. It's rare that I see a GTR picture I like but they look great in person.
+1 billion.

The M3 does look better in most photos.
When i first saw the gtr i was like blech...then i saw it in person and its the most bizzare thing that it looked ALOT better in the flesh.

My cousin would say it all the time and i was like..nope...until i went to the dealership one day on a whim and was floored.

Cant explain it really. But it looks much more commanding and menacing than the m3 irl..yet the m3 is MUCH more photogenic.
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      10-19-2012, 01:03 PM   #55
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Maintenance is nothing like that. A good set of tires will run about $1200, Transmission/Diff fluid change = $900, Good Brake pads are about $500 for all 4 corners, and Good non drilled rotors are $1400 (if you track the car). These are the most expensive perishables on the car. Everything else like engine oil change $120, Alignment, etc are all negligible. The GTR is probably the cheapest Supercar to maintain.

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mostly true.. however what pads are $500 for all four corners? lol.. good gtr pads are $500-600 just for the fronts (endless me20s for eg) .. and again what tires are $1200.. lol..?? Michelin PSS are $1500+

I just switched back from a year of ownership on a GTR.. also expenses change a lot when you start tracking the gtr. And basically I'm in the camp that if you have a fast car then you need to take it to the track.. in other words.. I'm a track crackhead!

when taken to the track, the gtr will eat tires (each set $1500+) within 2-3 trackdays and pads within 5-6 ...and gtr pads are not cheap... a good set of endless me20s are 600-700 bucks.. stock rotors will crack within 3-4 trackdays so you need to get ap j hooks .. and those will last about 15-19 trackdays. and then it'll overheat within a few laps and you need to cut your sessions short and cool it down...

to fix this you need to buy an expensive tranny cooler to keep the tranny from exploding but ironically when you install a cooler and change to an aftermarket (Safer and better) tranny fluid you automatically invalidate your warranty .. so essentially you are fucked either way.. keep stock parts and the tranny goes >230F within five laps .. do mods to bring tranny temps under control and screw your warranty.. the gtr is pig heavy..

for the m3 on the other hand, tires last about 6-7 trackdays.. tires (NITTO NT01 or NT05s 275/35/18s) cost $900 (almost half) .. pads last much longer .. discs last almost forever... and then the main thing is the car doesn't overheat and can run on and on ...and the m3 tranny is rock solid .. the gtr felt like a ticking time bomb... switching back to the m3 .. I've lost a few seconds on the track (big deal)... gained a much cheaper car to track .. still as much fun, I can learn more, be a better driver and peace of mind knowning that I have a rock solid car with a rock solid warranty..

with the gtr I always felt like I was driving a ticking time bomb ..
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      10-19-2012, 01:22 PM   #56
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Congrats on the GTR, I bet you're having a blast with those 0-60 launches
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      10-19-2012, 01:30 PM   #57
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Congrats OP! There is no doubting the power of the beast you just bought.

But, I still think it is an ugly car. That's just me, and solely based on looks. I am sure it has a 'great personality'
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      10-19-2012, 02:20 PM   #58
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mostly true.. however what pads are $500 for all four corners? lol.. good gtr pads are $500-600 just for the fronts (endless me20s for eg) .. and again what tires are $1200.. lol..?? Michelin PSS are $1500+

I just switched back from a year of ownership on a GTR.. also expenses change a lot when you start tracking the gtr. And basically I'm in the camp that if you have a fast car then you need to take it to the track.. in other words.. I'm a track crackhead!

when taken to the track, the gtr will eat tires (each set $1500+) within 2-3 trackdays and pads within 5-6 ...and gtr pads are not cheap... a good set of endless me20s are 600-700 bucks.. stock rotors will crack within 3-4 trackdays so you need to get ap j hooks .. and those will last about 15-19 trackdays. and then it'll overheat within a few laps and you need to cut your sessions short and cool it down...

to fix this you need to buy an expensive tranny cooler to keep the tranny from exploding but ironically when you install a cooler and change to an aftermarket (Safer and better) tranny fluid you automatically invalidate your warranty .. so essentially you are fucked either way.. keep stock parts and the tranny goes >230F within five laps .. do mods to bring tranny temps under control and screw your warranty.. the gtr is pig heavy..

for the m3 on the other hand, tires last about 6-7 trackdays.. tires (NITTO NT01 or NT05s 275/35/18s) cost $900 (almost half) .. pads last much longer .. discs last almost forever... and then the main thing is the car doesn't overheat and can run on and on ...and the m3 tranny is rock solid .. the gtr felt like a ticking time bomb... switching back to the m3 .. I've lost a few seconds on the track (big deal)... gained a much cheaper car to track .. still as much fun, I can learn more, be a better driver and peace of mind knowning that I have a rock solid car with a rock solid warranty..

with the gtr I always felt like I was driving a ticking time bomb ..
3-4 track days on stock rotors? I did 1 track day and cracked mine. I replaced my rotors and pads with Racing Brake rotors up front and Hawk DTC-70 race pads. Pads were $500 approx. Racing Brake also makes pads around $500 for an entire set. These are race pads by the way. You can get Toyo R888s from certain places at wholesale for $1200 approx, again this is an R comp tire.

I track my GTR often. In one year of ownership I have done 7 track events not including my wife who will drive some times, which puts the GTR on double duty. This car is rock solid. I have OEM fluid and get it analyzed every change. My trans temps even in hot weather never get past 270*.

I would like to see someone find a road car that's this fast, and this reliable with cheaper maintenance. I am confident there arent very many options.

I am on average 7-10 seconds faster per lap, on a 2 min course than a comparable M3/driver. I have 20k miles on my car at this point and not a single issue. One thing to note is that my car is stock engine wise, modifying the car will most definitely impact its reliability.

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how about driving to work or taking the wife out to dinner? how much better is the M3 in that regard? can the GTR handle daily driving duties or is it too much of a track focused car?
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Sold my E92 M3 about a month ago and purchased a GTR.

GTR advantages over the E92 M3

1. More Power and Torque

2. Better Handling

3. For me IMO it looks better and more aggressvie than the M3

4. Better Fuel Economy I was able to get close to 19MPG city driving using the Snow mode and Comfort Mode.

5. Power gains - With just a Midpipe, Catback and 1000cc Injectors and a Cobb Pro Tune will yield 570whp and 580wtq on 91 Pump Gas.

6. The Thrill of launching the car when it hits 60mph in just 3 seconds.

7. From Dick Magnet to Dick Tractorbeam this car gets a lot of attention where ever you go.
Sir, i recommend you see an eye doctor ASAP
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I wish they would have the egoist edition GTR available in the US. That would make the interior much more pallatable than the current rice-rocket look.
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With the perfect wheels and small mods, Gt-r does look better than m3 IMO. My friend has a white one with DBK BBS-Lm's. IT IS CLEAN. As far as girls r concerned, bmw is a bmw no matter 3 series or m3 and nissan is a nissan no matter z or gt-r.
OP congrats on the new car, it's a beast!!

IMO the GT-R looks good overhall but I prefer the look of the M3!

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I'm next in Line bro! Congrats. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I too think gtr looks better than my m. The resale value is rediculously good as well.
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The GTR is a beast. I've driven several and ridden on the track as a passenger with advanced drivers. My issue is that its not a good driver's car as far as learning is concerned because you void the warranty if you turn off stability control on the track. So you have a hard time determining what you are doing vrs the electronics. And it feels big. Getting back into my modded M3 I felt like I was driving a Miata. I think the car is best
suited for advanced drivers who can really get to the high limits. I considered a GTR but ended up with a Porsche GT3RS because of the fun factor.
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