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      10-10-2012, 09:51 PM   #1
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M3 vs. TTRS

I know they aren't in the same segment, but let us see what y'all think.

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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
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      10-10-2012, 11:57 PM   #2
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Tough, I was hoping the article would compare TTRS to an M3; they focused on the 911TT vs TTRS.
Needless to say, TTRS is a capable machine. With the right tuning, and lower ride, this thing will be truly pocket rocket.
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      10-11-2012, 12:09 AM   #3
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Ohhhhpppp....saw this is already being discussed about 10 threads down. Mah bad...
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      10-11-2012, 05:25 AM   #4
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The M3 loses to the TTRS in 3 areas:

1. Traction
2. Stock exhaust sound
3. 0-60 acceleration (due to traction)

In all other areas, the M3 is the superior car. There is going to be an inevitable trade-off, no matter what you do, between the steering responsiveness advantage of RWD vs. the traction advanatage of AWD. This is especially true in a front-engine vehicle. The dynamics are obviously different in a mid or rear engine vehicle. To be honest, I am really torn when it comes to this. My previous car was an RS4. While the M3 is clearly sharper and more precise in all its moves, the RS4 has such good grip that you could just slam it, even with all the traction stuff off, and the car would just hold its line. In the end, I am really not sure which is the better. The M3 is more agile and more entertaining. The RS4 has a greater safety margin when driven hard. It will be the same for the TTRS.
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I was recently at a track day with a TTRS @ NJMP, and it was quite fast.
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I know they aren't in the same segment, but let us see what y'all think.

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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
That test is a DSG car which isn't available in the US. It's a bummer because I want one! The manual doesn't do quite as well.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
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I have encountered a APR tuned TT-RS on track. Very fast. The driver said he had the APR stage 1 ECU tuning and some exhaust for about $4K. For me the backseats are the limitation. I could however put my younger one in the back of the new (991) C2S!!
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When I was coming from the ring, one TTRS got on my tail on the ABahn, and I couldn't shake it off until 160mph. Not sure on the mods...
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The TT-RS is like a mini GT-R, with better interior. Especially with the EU DSG gearbox. The one I've seen at the track was US spec (of course) had some - I was told - APR tuning and was on Hoosier R6 255 at all corners. There was no M3 at the time if i recall correctly but it was clearly faster than the Boss 302 also on r-comp tires. (you have to give or take for the driver on a DE event a lot though)
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I was very interested in this car until I learned it is Haldex AWD which means it drives more like a FWD than a RWD, unlike the S4, RS4.
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The M3 loses to the TTRS in 3 areas:

1. Traction
2. Stock exhaust sound
3. 0-60 acceleration (due to traction)

In all other areas, the M3 is the superior car. There is going to be an inevitable trade-off, no matter what you do, between the steering responsiveness advantage of RWD vs. the traction advanatage of AWD. This is especially true in a front-engine vehicle. The dynamics are obviously different in a mid or rear engine vehicle. To be honest, I am really torn when it comes to this. My previous car was an RS4. While the M3 is clearly sharper and more precise in all its moves, the RS4 has such good grip that you could just slam it, even with all the traction stuff off, and the car would just hold its line. In the end, I am really not sure which is the better. The M3 is more agile and more entertaining. The RS4 has a greater safety margin when driven hard. It will be the same for the TTRS.
this is a joke, right?
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      10-15-2012, 06:06 PM   #12
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this is a joke, right?
Only going by what I have heard in videos. Stock exhaust sound on the TTRS is quite nice. Better IMO than the stock exhaust sound on an M3.

This is not ENGINE sound. The sound that the M3 motor makes is simply magnificent and blows most anything other than a Ferrari away.
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The 5-cylinder sounds freakin' awesome, but the M3 definitely sounds better. 6-speed (only trans available in the US) is a severe handicap on this car, edmunds.com recently tested one and couldn't get it out of the 13's.
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Only going by what I have heard in videos. Stock exhaust sound on the TTRS is quite nice. Better IMO than the stock exhaust sound on an M3.

This is not ENGINE sound. The sound that the M3 motor makes is simply magnificent and blows most anything other than a Ferrari away.
I'm gonna have to disagree about #2 also. The V8 sound is superior, by far.
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